The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[RV_Wizard]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

And I proved that NONE of them were actually formless.  If they can be seen, they HAVE form.

More of that pesky English language you have a problem with.  Perhaps you should create your own dictionary with all of your own definitions.  You have them, you just need to write them down.  Then again, you'd have to come up with a reason for anyone to accept your definitions.

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

The fallacy here is assuming God created something imperfect and had to re-do it.  I never said such a stupid thing.  Something occurred that destroyed the land, and God restored it for man's use.

So now you're saying that something beyond God's control laid waste to His first creation?  What is beyond the control of an impotent God?  What force could be greater than God's will regarding His creation?

No, your claims convince no one.

[FreeGrace]

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said: 

And I proved that NONE of them were actually formless.  If they can be seen, they HAVE form.

More of that pesky English language you have a problem with.

Says the guy who believes that "tohu wabohu" in Gen 1:2 really means the earth had no form, even though in Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11 the same 2 words describe total destructrion of the land.  I think that may the problem is on your side.

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Perhaps you should create your own dictionary with all of your own definitions.

I don't have my own definitions.  I use legit lexicons and BELIEVE them.

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  You have them, you just need to write them down.  Then again, you'd have to come up with a reason for anyone to accept your definitions.

No, only those who are actually interested in what God's Word SAYS.

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

So now you're saying that something beyond God's control laid waste to His first creation?

This is a ridiculous question.  Nothing is beyond God's control.  He is omnipotent and sovereign.  But this is the exact problem you have.  You keep inserting your own extremely biased and WRONG opinions about my view.  I never said anything was beyond God's control.

Maybe you just haven't been taught that God's will ALLOWS sin.  Otherwise, He would be the AUTHOR of ALL sin.  Do you believe He is?  Given your reckless comment above, it would seem so.  

All I ever said what the something occurred.  I gave no "theory" as to who or what.  And I sure didn't insinuate or claim that whatever it was was beyond God's control.

It is because of your inability to be objective that you can't even follow my views.

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  What is beyond the control of an impotent God?

Nothing.

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

  What force could be greater than God's will regarding His creation?

Nothing.

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

No, your claims convince no one.

Your biases convince everyone that you are unable to control your own emotions and see/hear objectively.

You keep assigning ideas to my views that I've never said or suggested.  

You are biased and very judgmental.  No wonder you aren't following this.  

[RdJ]

On 9/5/2023 at 8:25 PM, FJK said:

Just curious, a question to evolutionists that call themselves Christian:

At what point did that subhuman or prehuman little monkey thing that evolved into humans evolve a soul -or spirit if you prefer- as well?

One day God said: heyyy what a nice monkey! No wait it's an ape that's evolved from a one celled organism. Lets now turn this one into Adam after My own Image and let them write down that I created him from dust of the ground just for fun to make it complicated and expect them to read Genesis in a figurative sense.

[RV_Wizard]

8 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said:

One day God said: heyyy what a nice monkey! No wait it's an ape that's evolved from a one celled organism. 

When one does not believe in the Bible as written, he reads it looking for fractions of verses to confirm what he has chosen to believe.  Luckily for most, other skeptics have already done most of the work.  All they have to do is to cut and paste, and then act profound.  The best "educated" person knows less than an unschooled carpenter from Galilee.  Jesus said we live not by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.  If the Bible is to be God's word, then we can't disregard things just because the world seems much, much older than is recorded.

[Starise]

I think she's agreeing with you. It was sarcasm.

[The Barbarian]

11 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Evolution, especially.

The Bible teaches the special creation of man,

The issue is that YE creationists don't approve of the way He did it.   Our bodies are formed naturally, like the other animals.   Our souls are given immediately by God, which is how we are created in His image.   Not our bodies.   Our souls.

11 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

and all things being made after their kind.

The issue, of course, is that YE creationists don't like the way He did it.

 

[The Barbarian]

38 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

The best "educated" person knows less than an unschooled carpenter from Galilee.

Jesus was brought up with a solid education in scripture.    And of course, He is God.   So an absolute advantage.   Some of us are a little more familiar with His creation than others.  That's just a relative advantage.  

But still an advantage.

 

[RV_Wizard]

2 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

The issue is that YE creationists don't approve of the way He did it. 

I have no problem with how He did it.

Genesis 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Exodus 20:11 

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

That's how He said He did it, and since God cannot lie, that's how He actually did it.

[RV_Wizard]

4 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Jesus was brought up with a solid education in scripture. 

Yes, unschooled does not equal uneducated.  He knows the Scriptures cold and quoted from them many times.  Had there been long ages coded in, He would have shared that with His disciples.

[The Barbarian]

Just now, RV_Wizard said:

Yes, unschooled does not equal uneducated.  He knows the Scriptures cold and quoted from them many times.  Had there been long ages coded in, He would have shared that with His disciples.

Since Jesus made no comment on how old the Earth is, we can know that He did not consider it of any importance to His ministry to us.    If it had been, He would have shared it with His disciples.

Maybe we should all think about that.    If you focus on how old the Earth is, or how he creates new kinds of living things, you're missing the whole message He has for you.

Focus on that; you won't be saved by what you think of evolution.