Did the 'dead' rise before Christ did?

[FreeGrace]

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  FreeGrace said: 

OK, let's test this out.  You claim there will be just ONE resurrection, which will include both all believers and all unbelievers.

WRONG.  I don't say there is ONE resurrection of both believers and unbelievers

I say there is ONE resurrection OF THE DEAD when Christ returns.

Yes, you did.  And you are STILL WRONG believing there is one resurrection.  In fact, you just proved yourself wrong by your last sentence.  But I am assuming, since it is so difficult to understand what you are thinking.  If there is "one resurrection of the dead", does that mean only saved, or only unsaved, or both?  Please clarify.

But, regardless, you are still wrong either way.  

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  So who are the DEAD? 

You're gonna have to tell me, since that is such a vague question.  Define "dead".

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Those who have never come to faith, UNBELIEVERS.

Those who NEVER HEARD the words of God, never made a choicer's

Those who were deceived and took the mark of the beast, BELIEVERS WHO WERE NOT BARREN when Christ returned but had been in bed with the DEVIL and who had been worshiping the IMAGE and buying and selling

So, do you really believe that believers will never die?  Then please explain Lazarus, who Jesus RAISED from the DEAD.  John 11.

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

SO, DON'T PUT YOUR WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

Ugh.  I'm trying to put truth into your skull.

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  I have said all along and have never waivered that THOSE WHO ARE HIS WHEN HE RETURNS

Define "those who are His" specifically.  

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 are the alive and remaining.  HE IS returning WITH ALL THE HOLY SAINTS, not RESURRECTING THEM.

Really.  So then Paul was kinda screwed up when he wrote 1 Thess 4:13-17.

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

It is THE DEAD who rise when He returns, just like it is written.

Define 'dead' here.  

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  YOU call the LIVING 'the dead' for whatever reason, that is your choice,

I believe the Bible.  There are many many examples of saved people dying.  Maybe you just keep missing that obvious FACT.  

I call ONLY the living unbelievers who are spiritually dead.  See how I clarify what I say, unlike yourself.

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

BUT I DON'T.  

You sure don't clarify anything.  

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Rev 20:5 specifically calls the resurrection of the saved as the "first resurrection" and notes that it will be 1,000 years BEFORE the next one, which is for all the unsaved.

YOU SPECIFICALLY HAVE DETERMINED ALL ON YOU OWN that is the meaning of what is given there.  But with the many 'errs' you presently can't defend against, you might want to rethink this one also.  

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Unless you repent (change your mind) about your single resurrection for both the saved and the unsaved, you are in conflict with God's Word, and don't really believe the claim you have made above.

Some advice you need to take within

[FreeGrace]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

Thanks for the verses.  But what is your point?  Are you ignoring 2 Cor 5:6,8?  Do you believe what Paul wrote or not?  And what do you think Paul was teaching in v.35-44?  Just quoting verses without any comment isn't helpful, since I have no idea what you understand about them.

BUILD upon what you are given....

What does that even mean?

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

While you never cite the passage of what you quote, it is 2 Cor 5:6.  Now, please explain what Paul is talking about.  

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

that would be the FLESH AND BLOOD ONE the one that QUICKENS the 'seed' that GOD GIVES A BODY TO

Word salad.

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

OK, same passage.  Now, explain what this verse is talking about.

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

absent FROM THE FLESH AND BLOOD ONE

But you deny that believers can die.  Yet, here Paul is clearly and specifically describing physical death, where the soul is ABSENT from the body.  Which you don't believe.

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

It doesn't say SPIRIT, it doesn't say AIR, it doesn't say BREATH, it says WE because WE are in our physical spiritual body APPEARING before Christ

The "we" refers to the immaterial part of the human being.

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

but the DEAD will be standing ON THE EARTH, at the GWTJ before GOD.  

OK, once again, define what YOU mean by "the dead".  There are various kinds of "the dead".  Aren't you aware of that?  It seems you are totally unaware of that.

[FreeGrace]

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

Rev 20:5 specifically calls the resurrection of the saved as the "first resurrection" and notes that it will be 1,000 years BEFORE the next one, which is for all the unsaved.

YOU SPECIFICALLY HAVE DETERMINED ALL ON YOU OWN that is the meaning of what is given there.  But with the many 'errs' you presently can't defend against, you might want to rethink this one also.  

Prove it then.  Don't just say it.  That's just an opinion.  Show facts.  What is clear from v.5 is the FACT that the two resurrections are 1,000 years apart.

I have no idea what you think the verse teaches.  But you sure don't believe in two resurrections, which the Bible IS clear about.

Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15, and 1 Cor 15:23.

[DeighAnn]

35 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Your statements are stunning!  Who has ever said that our bodies ARE exactly like His and NEVER have been???  No one who is sane would ever say that.  The Bible does say that our bodies WILL BE LIKE HIS at the resurrection.  Do you understand that?

Phil 3:21 - who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Gather ALL THE VERSES THAT SPEAK to being raised up and see what is given.  


Our bodies ARE exactly like His and NEVER have been???  What does that even mean??   

[DeighAnn]

32 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Seems you are just trying to be difficult.  I asked a question and you come back with a silly question.  Your question is totally irrelevant.  What I don't have yet is a resurrection body.  But I will.  What I do have is eternal life.  Jesus said so.

If you wish to stand that once something is given it is a possession forever no matter what you can't get rid of it, then it isn't a silly question it is a silly position to have in the first place.  

[DeighAnn]

34 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

So far, none of what you call "answers" have answered my questions.  Most of the time you just fire back with another irrelevant question.

The wise man would quit asking them if he never understood the answers given.  The definition of insanity...expecting a different result.  

[DeighAnn]

36 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

No I didn't find anything of use in your very long copy and paste of Thayer's Greek.  It seems you are unable to synthesize and concisely explain yourself, so you resort to a very long entry in Thayer's as if that explains anything.

So why continue on?  All you do is attack what you don't understand of my understanding.  What is the point for you?  I know for me, putting forth the truth time and again will break through deception at some point for those willing, and though I don't get your end, though I do appreciate all the opportunities.  And all the persecution that comes with it is quite the blessing to boot!!!

[DeighAnn]

37 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Please edit this non-sensical word salad.  Maybe reading it out loud to see how it sounds to your ears.

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


In the parable of the RICH MAN AND LAZARUS after they died and they were separated by the gulf but still talking

what BODY do you think they were in, when they were doing all that talking to each other? 



 

17I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

WOULDN'T THAT BE 'THEIR SPIRITS' IF indeed, they had no bodies?

16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18As thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent Me.

22And the glory which Thou gavest Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with me where I am; that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me: for Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world.

THEY when we are on the earth THEY when we are in heaven

a 'being' is body and breath.  

and do I have to put what happens when the first body dies again?