Did the 'dead' rise before Christ did?

[DeighAnn]

54 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Why is GOD giving a BODY to a BARE GRAIN if as you say THIS BODY will be raised up?

I never said God gives a body to a bare grain.  That isn't even a sensical statement.  But yes, God did say our physical bodies will be raised up.  That is the resurrection that occurs at the Second Advent.

Non sensical statement?  You never said it?  You don't believe that God gives a body to a bare grain.  

and I NEVER SAID YOU SAID IT.  

Have YOU ever read 1 Corinth 15:38?  Could you tell me WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS?


 

[DeighAnn]

39 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

So, do you really believe that believers will never die?  Then please explain Lazarus, who Jesus RAISED from the DEAD.  John 11.

WHY do you insist on me teaching you the whole bible?  

DID YOU MISS VERSE 4?

[DeighAnn]

37 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Word salad.

 

43 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

55 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  So who are the DEAD? 

You're gonna have to tell me, since that is such a vague question.  Define "dead".

 

43 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

55 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  I have said all along and have never waivered that THOSE WHO ARE HIS WHEN HE RETURNS

Define "those who are His" specifically.  

 

44 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

56 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

It is THE DEAD who rise when He returns, just like it is written.

Define 'dead' here.  

 

40 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

45 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

that would be the FLESH AND BLOOD ONE the one that QUICKENS the 'seed' that GOD GIVES A BODY TO

Word salad.

 

40 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

46 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

OK, same passage.  Now, explain what this verse is talking about.

 

40 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

46 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

It doesn't say SPIRIT, it doesn't say AIR, it doesn't say BREATH, it says WE because WE are in our physical spiritual body APPEARING before Christ

The "we" refers to the immaterial part of the human being.

a being is body and soul made in our image not immaterial

all the rest of your responses have been answered even if not understood.  

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Gather ALL THE VERSES THAT SPEAK to being raised up and see what is given.

I suggest you do that.  I already KNOW what is given.  For humans, they are given their soul life back to their bodies, as Laz is an example of that.  So are the 2 witnesses of Rev 11.  Jesus was the first to receive a resurrection body, which means a glorified and IMMORTAL body.  Do you understand the difference, or am I wasting my time here?

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Our bodies ARE exactly like His and NEVER have been???  What does that even mean??   

You tell me.  It was YOUR post that was so confusing.  I was simply trying to respond to your confusion.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

If you wish to stand that once something is given it is a possession forever no matter what you can't get rid of it, then it isn't a silly question it is a silly position to have in the first place.  

Just more confusion.  Are you actually trying to be?  Seems to come rather naturally.

What I know about the gift of eternal life is that those who are given it shall never perish.  John 10:28  

But if you are thinking about anything else, of course anything can be lost, given away, etc.  So your statement is just too vague to understand because you never clarify what exactly you mean.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

So far, none of what you call "answers" have answered my questions.  Most of the time you just fire back with another irrelevant question.

The wise man would quit asking them if he never understood the answers given.  The definition of insanity...expecting a different result.  

What do you call someone who won't answer a question but responds with a rather irrelevant and silly question of their own?  Just curious.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

No I didn't find anything of use in your very long copy and paste of Thayer's Greek.  It seems you are unable to synthesize and concisely explain yourself, so you resort to a very long entry in Thayer's as if that explains anything.

So why continue on?

You'll have to answer that one; being the one who posts very long and pointless posts.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  All you do is attack what you don't understand of my understanding. 

Attack??  No, I'm pointing out how unclear your posts are.  There is no clarifying in them.  So how can anyone understand your questions when you don't define the words/terms you use?

For example, "the dead", a phrase you have used quite often.  What are you referring to?  

the dead caucasions?

the dead asians?

the dead Eskimos?

See what I mean?  You have to clarify your terms, since nothing is obvious in your postss.  

Oh, also there are:

the dead saved

the dead unsaved

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

What is the point for you?

Well, since you seem to hardly ever make a point in your posts, I just keep looking.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  I know for me, putting forth the truth time and again will break through deception at some point for those willing, and though I don't get your end, though I do appreciate all the opportunities.

Well, that's funny.  You claim you "put forth the truth" YET you claim there is just one resurrection, even though Rev 20:5 clearly indicates that the FIRST resurrection is 1,000 years before the next one.  And all the verses I've shown that plainly show a resurrection for the saved and a resurrection for the unsaved.

So don't tell me about putting for the truth.  You don't believe the truth as you've shown.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  And all the persecution that comes with it is quite the blessing to boot!!!

Oh, so now you're being "persecuted" because I can't understand your failure to clarify?   I'm beginning to think you don't know the meaning of words.  That WOULD explain a lot.  Like why you aren't able to clarify.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Why is GOD giving a BODY to a BARE GRAIN if as you say THIS BODY will be raised up?

I never said God gives a body to a bare grain.  That isn't even a sensical statement.  But yes, God did say our physical bodies will be raised up.  That is the resurrection that occurs at the Second Advent.

Non sensical statement?  You never said it?  You don't believe that God gives a body to a bare grain.  

and I NEVER SAID YOU SAID IT.  

Have YOU ever read 1 Corinth 15:38?  Could you tell me WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS?

WHAT does 1 Corinth 15:38 SAY?  

YOU believe the words of God are NON SENSICAL.  

WE have nothing more to discuss. 

[DeighAnn]

28 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I suggest you do that.  I already KNOW what is given.  For humans, they are given their soul life back to their bodies, as Laz is an example of that.  So are the 2 witnesses of Rev 11.  Jesus was the first to receive a resurrection body, which means a glorified and IMMORTAL body.  Do you understand the difference, or am I wasting my time here?

You tell me.  It was YOUR post that was so confusing.  I was simply trying to respond to your confusion.

WHAT does 1 Corinth 15:38 SAY?  

YOU believe the words of God are NON SENSICAL.  

WE have nothing more to discuss. 

[DeighAnn]

25 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

What do you call someone who won't answer a question but responds with a rather irrelevant and silly question of their own?  Just curious.

WHAT does 1 Corinth 15:38 SAY?  

YOU believe the words of God are NON SENSICAL.  

WE have nothing more to discuss.