Did the 'dead' rise before Christ did?

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It hasn't been that long since I watched my mother descend into the ground.I don't believe she ever received the holy spirit nor did my dad.I don't see where I wouldnt be buried in the ground as well.The difference is I don't believe my mom or dad will ever rise again.I believe I will.

There is a RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND UNJUST DEAD when Christ returns.  Why wouldn't they rise up?  Did they ever CHOOSE?  Did they CHOOSE from a point of KNOWLEDGE?   

If they didn't and they didn't rise, 

THEN HOW COULD GOD BE JUST?  Luck of the draw? Luck of when you were born? Luck of the family you were born into???  None of those fall under what is JUST or RIGHT.  What about all those who lived when Israel were the only ones WHO KNEW GOD?  Chalk 'em all up to 'to bad so sad'?   That isn't how the GOD I KNOW operates.  What do you think the Lords day is for?  Those who are already saved?  


"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 KJV

Hence the DEAD rise and the LIVING return, and for 1000 years the DEAD seek after getting their names in the book of life, the LIVING instructing and teaching ruling and reigning with THE LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS. 


12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[DeighAnn]

13 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So your saying that everyone scripture says dies for their testimony of Christ doesn't die and those scriptures are false?

Your telling me they are false?

 

Or are you saying them that have died are never buried?

I am saying they die the common death the death of the flesh but they ARE RAISED up from the flesh body in their spiritual body.  

The FLESH and blood body is buried, not THEIR SPIRITUAL ONE, not their being/soul/spirit. 

Luke 16:22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Edited September 21, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Shilohsfoal]

14 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

There is a RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND UNJUST DEAD when Christ returns.  Why wouldn't they rise up?  Did they ever CHOOSE?  Did they CHOOSE from a point of KNOWLEDGE?   

If they didn't and they didn't rise, 

THEN HOW COULD GOD BE JUST?  Luck of the draw? Luck of when you were born? Luck of the family you were born into???  None of those fall under what is JUST or RIGHT.  What about all those who lived when Israel were the only ones WHO KNEW GOD?  Chalk 'em all up to 'to bad so sad'?   That isn't how the GOD I KNOW operates.  What do you think the Lords day is for?  Those who are already saved?  


"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 KJV

Hence the DEAD rise and the LIVING return, and for 1000 years the DEAD seek after getting their names in the book of life, the LIVING instructing and teaching ruling and reigning with THE LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS. 


12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

From my understanding,it's Israel that rises before the Sabbath day and keep that day.

[Shilohsfoal]

12 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I am saying they die the common death the death of the flesh but they ARE RAISED up from the flesh body in their spiritual body.  

The FLESH and blood body is buried, not THEIR SPIRITUAL ONE, not their being/soul/spirit. 

Luke 16:22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

From my understanding ,no one rises from their graves till the seventh Trump.Im not sure why you believe anyone of us becomes immortal before that Trump.

 

 

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

⁵⁴ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

From my understanding ,no one rises from their graves till the seventh Trump.Im not sure why you believe anyone of us becomes immortal before that Trump.

 

 

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

⁵⁴ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Because the MYSTERY is about those who ARE ALIVE AND REMAINING when Christ returns.  There is no mystery about the dead being raised up.  

So we can't take what is written to A SPECIFIC GROUP and turn around and apply it to anyone else OR TO any other time  


 

3708 [e]	Ἰδοὺ idou	Behold,	V-AMA-2S
3466 [e]	μυστήριον mystērion	a mystery	N-ANS
4771 [e]	ὑμῖν hymin	to you	PPro-D2P
3004 [e]	λέγω· legō	I tell.	V-PIA-1S
3956 [e]	πάντες pantes	All	Adj-NMP
3756 [e]	οὐ ou	not	Adv
2837 [e]	κοιμηθησόμεθα, koimēthēsometha	we will sleep;	V-FIP-1P
3956 [e]	πάντες pantes	all	Adj-NMP
1161 [e]	δὲ de	however	Conj
236 [e]	ἀλλαγησόμεθα, allagēsometha THAT IS AT A SPECIFIC TIME AND OF A SPECIFIC GROUP AND NO ONE ELSE.  HE JUST GOT DONE GIVING THE WHENS AND WHERES OF EVERYONE ELSE	we will be changed —	V-FIP-1P

 

[Shilohsfoal]

7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Because the MYSTERY is about those who ARE ALIVE AND REMAINING when Christ returns.  There is no mystery about the dead being raised up.  

So we can't take what is written to A SPECIFIC GROUP and turn around and apply it to anyone else OR TO any other time  


 

3708 [e]	Ἰδοὺ idou	Behold,	V-AMA-2S
3466 [e]	μυστήριον mystērion	a mystery	N-ANS
4771 [e]	ὑμῖν hymin	to you	PPro-D2P
3004 [e]	λέγω· legō	I tell.	V-PIA-1S
3956 [e]	πάντες pantes	All	Adj-NMP
3756 [e]	οὐ ou	not	Adv
2837 [e]	κοιμηθησόμεθα, koimēthēsometha	we will sleep;	V-FIP-1P
3956 [e]	πάντες pantes	all	Adj-NMP
1161 [e]	δὲ de	however	Conj
236 [e]	ἀλλαγησόμεθα, allagēsometha THAT IS AT A SPECIFIC TIME AND OF A SPECIFIC GROUP AND NO ONE ELSE.  HE JUST GOT DONE GIVING THE WHENS AND WHERES OF EVERYONE ELSE	we will be changed —	V-FIP-1P

 

So your just going to completely ignore the very first verse speaking of those who sleep in the dust of the earth?I'm pretty sure when Paul says "we",he is including himself in this group.

 

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

⁵⁴ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Edited September 21, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[DeighAnn]

9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

From my understanding ,no one rises from their graves till the seventh Trump.Im not sure why you believe anyone of us becomes immortal before that Trump.

Because that is what is written.  If you have received the gift of Salvation and you are in heaven, how could you not be immortal?  You are like the angels in heaven.  

How are the dead raised up and with what body?  

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Not your AIR, or MY BREATH, OR PART OF YOU BUT NOT ALL OF YOU...

BUT YOU.  We are created in our own image and we never cease to be a being and a being is body and soul and spirit.  

we have two bodies one for here and one for there.  WHY would we go there without one?


"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." 2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV
 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

o your just going to completely ignore the very first verse speaking of those who sleep in the dust of the earth?

If someone has NOT YET GONE TO SLEEP

what are they?  

 

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Do your just going to completely ignore the very first verse speaking of those who sleep in the dust of the earth?

what verse #  do you see 'of those who sleep in the dust of the earth' here?  

[Shilohsfoal]

Just now, DeighAnn said:

Because that is what is written.  If you have received the gift of Salvation and you are in heaven, how could you not be immortal?  You are like the angels in heaven.  

How are the dead raised up and with what body?  

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Not your AIR, or MY BREATH, OR PART OF YOU BUT NOT ALL OF YOU...

BUT YOU.  We are created in our own image and we never cease to be a being and a being is body and soul and spirit.  

we have two bodies one for here and one for there.  WHY would we go there without one?


"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." 2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV
 

I don't live in heaven.

I would have to travel east to arrive in the kingdom of heaven when it comes.

 

Mathew 8

¹¹ And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

¹² But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.