dad2 Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,506 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 Quote Lets go over it..........Ezekiel 37 is God bringing Israel back into the land, from all around the world, we know this because God says He brought the "Whole House of Israel" back into the land meaning all 12 tribes. ---- It says He will. When that happens David will rule them, they will obey etc etc etc Quote So, it seems like God kills these nations armies, and takes the glory, but for some reason it is cloaked by world leaders as per unto who did this. ----it doesn't say 'cloaked' it says God will be glorified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,071 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 552 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, dad2 said: ---- It says He will. When that happens David will rule them, they will obey etc etc etc Why not quote where people can see you replied? Well, yea, its happens 2500 years after Ezekiel gave the prophesy, in the LATER TIME, when Jesus will rule over Israel. Why it it you guys can never seem understand proportional timelines ? 6 hours ago, dad2 said: ----it doesn't say 'cloaked' it says God will be glorified. If it was not cloaked people would flee unto God just before the Rapture instead of going to hell, He does it for all to see, BUT.........they do not see, just like it is obvious to me and you who Created the Universe/Mankind, yet "THE WORLD ARE YET BLINDED" So just because God does something to glorify Himself does not mean the world in general sees. At the Rapture, when 1 billion Christians die, (no one flies off in bodily form, we do so as Spirit Men just like 1 Cor. 15:44 says) the world leaders will blame it on some COVID 19 like plague. So, people will not even understand the Rapture when they see it, don't kid yourself, Satan cloaks things all the time, else 8 billion people would know Christ Jesus as their savior. He is a liar. Edited October 9, 2023 by Revelation Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,506 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Quote Well, yea, its happens 2500 years after Ezekiel gave the prophesy, in the LATER TIME, when Jesus will rule over Israel. Why it it you guys can never seem understand proportional timelines ? It happens when Jesus rules them as their God after they repent Quote If it was not cloaked people would flee unto God just before the Rapture instead of going to hell, He does it for all to see, BUT.........they do not see, just like it is obvious to me and you who Created the Universe/Mankind, yet "THE WORLD ARE YET BLINDED" So just because God does something to glorify Himself does not mean the world in general sees. Except leveling mountains and every wall and killing all invading forces etc must be seen by the world. No cloaking that. Quote At the Rapture, when 1 billion Christians die, (no one flies off in bodily form, we do so as Spirit Men just like 1 Cor. 15:44 says) The very next verse says this 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. What happened to Jesus? His body was raised. We will be like Him. Quote the world leaders will blame it on some COVID 19 like plague. I assume you mean the Rapture. Having a cold does not make you disappear though. Quote So, people will not even understand the Rapture when they see it Some do not understand it having not seen it. Quote , don't kid yourself, Satan cloaks things all the time, else 8 billion people would know Christ Jesus as their savior. He is a liar. The things in Eze could not be cloaked and the bible does not say or hint they are Edited October 9, 2023 by dad2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,628 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: The war of Armageddon takes place 1000 years before gog invades the promised land. And no,when God says Israel dwells safely then that means they dwell safely.There is nothing Gog can do to hurt anyone of God's saints who live in Israel in those days. That word for safety also carries the idea of trust. They trust they are safe, they are of the mind they are safe, convinced they are secure, perhaps only psychologically safe, and maybe that trust in safety is in an earthly king. It's what the Jews require in their messiah; a man from the line of David that will defeat their enemies. 10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: I'm not sure what you think Gog is capable of doing to Israel since they can't die. Revelation 20 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. There are two Gog of Magog wars: one at the 2nd coming, the other after the millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,071 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 552 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, dad2 said: It happens when Jesus rules them as their God after they repent Do you even know exactly when Israel repent? I do, its BEFORE Jesus 2nd coming, they have to repent BY FAITH just like we do. Psstt, Zech. 13:8-9 shows us 1/3 repent, then in the very next verse, (Zech. 14:1) we see the DOTL arrives. The coming Two-witnesses show up at the 1335, which is 1335 days before the 2nd coming ends all of these wonders. 16 hours ago, dad2 said: Except leveling mountains and every wall and killing all invading forces etc must be seen by the world. No cloaking that. Well, anything can be cloaked with people on this earth who will buy into anything. LOL. They accept Homosexual marriage as normal, trans kids as normal, you are not living in reality, these people will buy anything. Besides, I think its all mixed in here, I think we also get described DOTL events which happen after many take the Mark of the Beast and have no hope, but Gog and Magog happens just before the Rapture, maybe just after, but not during the DOTL events, which happens roughly 3.5 years later. 16 hours ago, dad2 said: The things in Eze could not be cloaked and the bible does not say or hint they are They will lie. Read the 6th Vial, the Dragon, Anti-Christ and False Prophet get the kings of the whole world to gather at Armageddon how? BY LYING, three Lying Spirits. Cloaking the truths means lying. Edited October 9, 2023 by Revelation Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 hours ago, dad2 said: 2 Samuel 18:29 And the king said, Is the young man Absalom safe? And Ahimaaz answered, When Joab sent the king's servant, and me thy servant, I saw a great tumult, but I knew not what it was. This was not talking about out of body after life eternal life. Nor was any other of the many many verses in the bible using the word safe doing so. So you believe them who are resurected and do not suffer a second death will die a second death.When exactly do you claim the priests of God will be killed and who do you claim kills them?You believe Gog shall kill them? Revelation 20 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 hours ago, dad2 said: Look at the times the word safe is used in Scripture. Name a few where it refers being eternal? I'm looking at where God says they are safe.I don't pay attention to what men say about being safe. This is the word of God and it is eternal.God says they are safe after they have been resurected from the dead in Ezekiel 37 and God has placed a king over them.Just so you know,the king God has made king of Israel is Jesus Christ. Ezekiel 38 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Diaste said: That word for safety also carries the idea of trust. They trust they are safe, they are of the mind they are safe, convinced they are secure, perhaps only psychologically safe, and maybe that trust in safety is in an earthly king. It's what the Jews require in their messiah; a man from the line of David that will defeat their enemies. There are two Gog of Magog wars: one at the 2nd coming, the other after the millennium. First ,the word of God says they are safe.Not that they trust they are safe This is God speaking through Ezekiel.Not the people God is speaking about.God says they are safe.That means they are safe.God is true to his word. 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. Second.You claim there are two separate times Gog invades Israel.This is false.The war of Armegeddon in which Israeli neighbors such as Egypt,Jordan,Syria,Turkey,Lebanon ,Iraq ,Gaza,and the Palestinians of the West back attack Israel and conquer the Israeli government and it's people takes place before the millinium.Gog is not involved in that war.The ten nation confederacy that attacks Israel before the millinium are all destroyed during the war of Armegedon.None of those nations are with Gog when he comes against Christ and the saints after the millinium. Ezekiel 38-39 takes place after the millinium .After Israel is resurected from thier graves in Ezekiel 37.Ezekiel 37 is the first resurection which takes place 1000 years before Gog invades in Ezekiel 38. Ezekiel 37-39 corresponds to revelation 20. Edited October 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 10 hours ago, dad2 said: The thread is about the when. but my question was about the Who.... Why? Because I was driven to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,506 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Revelation Man said: Do you even know exactly when Israel repent? I do, its BEFORE Jesus 2nd coming, they have to repent BY FAITH just like we do Some think it is right before or at His return. Quote Zech. 13:8-9 shows us 1/3 repent, then in the very next verse, (Zech. 14:1) we see the DOTL arrives. I notice the verse before says this Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Quote The coming Two-witnesses show up at the 1335, which is 1335 days before the 2nd coming ends all of these wonders. Verse where it says when they show up? Quote Of anything can be cloaked with people on this earth who will buy into anything. LOL. If God says He will be glorified in nations He will. Quote They will lie. Read the 6th Vial, the Dragon, Anti-Christ and False Prophet get the kings of the whole world to gather at Armageddon how? BY LYING, three Lying Spirits. Cloaking the truths means lying. The question is when? They lie of course, that is their native tongue. But if the event was not till the end of the tribulation they would have been lying about other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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