Revisting Eze 38 and 39 - When?

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you say revelation of Jesus Christ is wrong.Because revelation say Gog is most certainly in Israel and surrounds the camp of the saints at Jerusalem 1000 years after the first resurection.

 

Yes, Gog is also there. All you need to do now is figure out what gog is. He is also invading before Jesus comes. It is not one or the other.

Edited October 9, 2023 by dad2

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Again.Revelation of Jesus Christ says Gog and his vast army surrounds the resurected saints in Israel.

Revelation ,20

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

 I don't say it bothers Israel in the slightest.The resurected saints of Israel already knows what is going to happen before it does anyway.

See last post.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Me either. I answered the question of your former post, which was:

"So-can anyone make a case that the invasion is some time other than the end of the tribulation?"

And what my post shows is that Ezek. 38-39 will take place well after the GT. Maybe you better read the part about the Seals again.

I see. OK so after the Tribulation there is peace until after the 1000 years are over. Then some rebels are destroyed. There is no battles other than that judgment after the tribulation. Unless maybe you are thinking in that extra 75 day mop up period after He returns that Daniel mentioned? If so, no, there could be no nations coming against Jerusalem after He returns and after Armageddon! Maybe a few rats trying to run or some such...

Edited October 9, 2023 by dad2

[Shilohsfoal]

16 minutes ago, dad2 said:

See last post.

Saw.it

Already proved your statement was false.

 

Gog invades the land of Israel after the millinium.

 

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

It's such a shame that so many people ignore the book of revelation.It answers so many questions which those who deny Christ can't answer 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[dad2]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,scripture says Gog invades after the millinium.That is long after Jesus comes.Not before.

You have a serious issue with the word of God ,don't you.

Yes there is a battle of god after the 1000 years. However, despite your shrill pretense at representing 'the word of God' there is a problem with claiming the Eze invasion happens after the millennium.

 

They beat their swords into plowshares after He returns.

Ezekiel 38:4

And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

In this battle there are plenty of swords. Not some few that people managed to sneakily make in the millennium. (as if anyone could get away with anything in that time when we rule and watch over things). Look at Rev and let's see if swords are even mentioned!?

 

Golly gee, no, not even one sword was mentioned!

 

Revelation 20:7

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Revelation 20:9

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The land that is attacked in Eze is one brought back from the sword. There is no swords at all in the millennium.

Ezekiel 38:8

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword

Strike two!

 

The world also in the millennium will be restored and beautiful.

Ezekiel 38:12

To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited

 

Hardly fitting to call anywhere desolate places then. Strike three.

 

Also a few points in this verse clue us in.

 

Ezekiel 38:16

And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

The latter days usually refers to a certain time and not the 1000 years that I remember, no? Also there are no heathen as the world will be covered with the knowledge of the Lord and he will be right there ruling!

 

That time near the end of the tribulation is also known for the great shaking that will happen.

 

Ezekiel 38:19

For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

 

To further pinpoint the time it says this

 

"..the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. "

 

Then once yet again it makes it clear it is not the millennium

 

Ezekiel 38:21

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God : every man's sword shall be against his brother.

 

NOT the millennium.

 

In verse 38 yet more confirmation it is the tribulation plague time.

 

Ezekiel 38:22

And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

 

Yet another proof is that when the battle of gog and magoag happens it is not the time when fire from heaven comes down and kills them ALL!

 

Ezekiel 39:2

 

And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

 

There are more clues, but if you don't get it yet there is no use wasting time on it.

 

Speaking of which the thread is about the timing of the Eze invasion being before or after the Tribulation, not fringe theories based on nothing that is is some other time entirely.

[dad2]

23 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Saw.it

Already proved your statement was false.

 

Gog invades the land of Israel after the millinium.

 

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

It's such a shame that so many people ignore the book of revelation.It answers so many questions which those who deny Christ can't answer 

Those verses do not even address the issue of the tribulation and I showed six ways from Sunday it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Eze invasion to be after He returns.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Yes there is a battle of god after the 1000 years. However, despite your shrill pretense at representing 'the word of God' there is a problem with claiming the Eze invasion happens after the millennium.

 

They beat their swords into plowshares after He returns.

Ezekiel 38:4

And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

In this battle there are plenty of swords. Not some few that people managed to sneakily make in the millennium. (as if anyone could get away with anything in that time when we rule and watch over things). Look at Rev and let's see if swords are even mentioned!?

 

Golly gee, no, not even one sword was mentioned!

 

Revelation 20:7

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Revelation 20:9

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The land that is attacked in Eze is one brought back from the sword. There is no swords at all in the millennium.

Ezekiel 38:8

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword

Strike two!

 

The world also in the millennium will be restored and beautiful.

Ezekiel 38:12

To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited

 

Hardly fitting to call anywhere desolate places then. Strike three.

 

Also a few points in this verse clue us in.

 

Ezekiel 38:16

And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

The latter days usually refers to a certain time and not the 1000 years that I remember, no? Also there are no heathen as the world will be covered with the knowledge of the Lord and he will be right there ruling!

 

That time near the end of the tribulation is also known for the great shaking that will happen.

 

Ezekiel 38:19

For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

 

To further pinpoint the time it says this

 

"..the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. "

 

Then once yet again it makes it clear it is not the millennium

 

Ezekiel 38:21

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God : every man's sword shall be against his brother.

 

NOT the millennium.

 

In verse 38 yet more confirmation it is the tribulation plague time.

 

Ezekiel 38:22

And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

 

Yet another proof is that when the battle of gog and magoag happens it is not the time when fire from heaven comes down and kills them ALL!

 

Ezekiel 39:2

 

And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

 

There are more clues, but if you don't get it yet there is no use wasting time on it.

 

Speaking of which the thread is about the timing of the Eze invasion being before or after the Tribulation, not fringe theories based on nothing that is is some other time entirely.

No,Israel doesn't have swords in Ezekiel 38.They have already beat them into plows.

Israel also doesn't have walls or fences because they don't need walls,fences,or swords in Ezekiel 38.

 

Those who are resurected in Ezekiel 37 don't need swords.

[Shilohsfoal]

4 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Those verses do not even address the issue of the tribulation and I showed six ways from Sunday it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Eze invasion to be after He returns.

Israel doesn't have any tribulation in Ezekiel 38.

Israel is at peace and are completely safe as God has said 

 

⁸ After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

⁹ Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

¹⁰ Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

¹¹ And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates

 

 

Israel is enjoying the Lord's rest in peace and safety 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[dad2]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,Israel doesn't have swords in Ezekiel 38.They have already beat them into plows.

Israel also doesn't have walls or fences because they don't need walls,fences,or swords in Ezekiel 38.

 

Those who are resurrected in Ezekiel 37 don't need swords.

If there are no places that are walled why mentioned unwalled places?

Yes they have weapons in the Eze invasion.

Ezekiel 39:9

 

And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

 

So many it will take seven years to burn them!! You are not even close.

 

 

Eze states explicitly they have swords you are not even close again.

Ezekiel 38:4

 

And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

 

In fact they ALL have swords!!!!

 

Don't waste our time with fringe foolishness that is off topic.

[dad2]

6 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Israel doesn't have any tribulation in Ezekiel 38.

Israel is at peace and are completely safe as God has said 

Last time I checked there was this famous peace deal that earmarked the tribulation? This is news to you?