The 7 year tribulation

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

I agree.

I agree 100%. You and I both know we are right. Early in Mark Jesus said that the "time" was fulfilled. The 7 and 62 weeks were fulfilled in 27AD. I can even google "spring phenomena", or look at timeanddate calendars and seen the new moon count for Passover week and find Good Friday April 7, 30AD. Jesus died in the middle of that "week".

But there's still a way, and other reasons, why the other side can be correct too. There still must be another final 70th "week" happening in our time.

I wouldn't want it to be a thing to worry about though. Like what Revelation man was saying, that word: "tribulation", might be throwing us off.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

 

 

 

I think there are two issues regarding the 70th week to consider. They both start at 457 AD and cover 490 consecutive years. Thus, they terminate at 33/34 AD. The entire prophecy centers on the restoration of the Temple, sanctuary, walls, city, etc., after their return from Babylon. These represent the “physical” elements that are to be restored, and they will be restored by the Jews. They will restore every piece of furniture (as well as the city, walls, etc.), BY the 69th week (everything must be ready and restored before the coming of the Messiah- and it was). 
 

On the first day of the 70th week the Messiah was baptized in the Jordan to begin His ministry that was “set aside” for Him (His mission would be fulfilled in this final week). He also represented the final piece of furniture in the sanctuary- the Ark of the Covenant.

But as you know, His ministry would only last 3.5 years INTO the last week or the last 7 years when He would be crucified. Therefore, He would have to complete His 6 requirements (9:24) within those 3.5 years- and He did. He fulfilled His part of the restoration.

From His perspective, ALL was fulfilled- His mission was not dependent on staying on the earth for the entire 7 years or the full last week of the 70 years prophecy. It was over. 
 

However, the ONLY thing that was still yet to be fulfilled relating to this 70 year prophecy is on the part of the Jews (not God). Because they rejected their Messiah, they were out of favor or standing with their God. Consequently, the 4th and final Great Jubilee had stopped. The “counting” of the last GJ cycle ended at the cross. Since it was supposed to end in 33/34 AD - exactly 490 years after it began in 457 AD, it was still 3.5 years shy of the 490 years. Those are the Jews time requirements to complete not the Messiah’s. Until they are back in fellowship with God, the counting of the GJ will not begin again and bring in the return of the Messiah. 
 

Again, this is the only remaining time element of the 70 weeks prophecy yet to be fulfilled. This will be fulfilled at the end of time when the Messiah will remove the blindness of their (Jews) eyes and they will come to realize the One they have pierced. They will accept the Messiah as their God and preach the testimony of Jesus for the final 3.5 years and then the end. This 3.5 years is in Revelation and speaks to the final time and what will take place right before His return. 
 

Therefore, when the world witnesses the Jews acknowledging Jesus as their Messiah, we will have 3.5 years remaining and then the 4th GJ will be counted as complete- 490 years. 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

34 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I certainly agree with you there is no 7 year tribulation. The genesis of this theory comes from the same “little horn” identified in Daniel quite clearly - the papacy. 
 

Jesuit priest Rebera (spelling close). Google him. 

The Little horn which dwells in the pleasant land isn't the Catholic church.

Daniel 8:9

And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

 

And the 3.5 year tribulation provided by the little horn in the pleasant land has yet to take place.It takes place just before the coming of Christ in the clouds .The gospel of Jesus Christ is the best source of information concerning the coming tribulation .He talks about exactly what the saints in the pleasant land should expect to happen to them before he comes .I'm not sure where you are getting your information concerning the tribulation ,but it is not from Christ.

 

 

Mathew 24

 

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The Little horn which dwells in the pleasant land isn't the Catholic church.

The little horn is indeed the papacy. Look in Daniel 7,8, 9, and 11 - look at ALL the characteristics that God has Gabriel record to identify him. 
 You simply can miss him. If he is not (after you review all those specific characteristics attributed to him), then look at the timing of his arrival. He comes out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome not the 4 generals of the post Alexander period (the 4 generals are still within the 3rd kingdom period). 
 

Then, you tell me who meets all those requirements… who do you say is this little horn.

I can assure you, he is a MAN and he is the papacy. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Daniel 8:9

And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

The “pleasant land or the glorious land” in this verse speaks to heaven not physical Jerusalem. The little horn will not come to full power until the 6th century - the papal Rome part of the 4th kingdom. And since Jerusalem was completely destroyed by Titus in 70 AD, this verse can not be speaking of a literal Jerusalem. It speaks to the direction of the compass this little horn will attack - he will even go against the God in heaven. He will claim equality with God, infallibility, forgiveness of sin , etc.

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

 

 

 

And the 3.5 year tribulation provided by the little horn in the pleasant land has yet to take place.It takes place just before the coming of Christ in the clouds .The gospel of Jesus Christ is the best source of information concerning the coming tribulation .He talks about exactly what the saints in the pleasant land should expect to happen to them before he comes .I'm not sure where you are getting your information concerning the tribulation ,but it is not from Christ.

Yes, when God removes the blindness of the Jews at the end of time, they will go out to the world preaching Jesus, their Messiah and then He will come. 

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

 

 

 

Mathew 24

 

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This is figurative language and happened right after the cross. 

 

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ 

This is not figurative language. This will occur at the end of time when Jesus will return. Only God returns in the clouds. Thus, it speaks to His second coming. The verses in Daniel are not written in chronological order just as the chapters are not in chronological order. 

 

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

End time events. 

[Dave Watchman]

15 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I think there are two issues regarding the 70th week to consider. They both start at 457 AD and cover 490 consecutive years. Thus, they terminate at 33/34 AD.

I still agree with you here.

16 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

But as you know, His ministry would only last 3.5 years INTO the last week or the last 7 years when He would be crucified.

Yes. He was "cut off" in the middle of that week, but not for Himself.

16 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

From His perspective, ALL was fulfilled- His mission was not dependent on staying on the earth for the entire 7 years or the full last week of the 70 years prophecy. It was over. 

But the people of the prince came and did destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it came with a flood, and till the end, (even right now in our time), wars and desolations are determined.

And that was the end of the first century story.

Then in verse 27, Jesus confirms the covenant with many for ONE WEEK. Not half a week, 1 whole week.

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (Casting the censer down in Revelation 8).

And on the overspreading of abominations, (increased lawlessness, abortion, murders, same sex marriage), shall be one, (Satan), who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.” (Beast thrown into the lake of fire).

Both timelines begin with various decrees to restore Jerusalem. Some of the decrees are in our more modern times.

17 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Again, this is the only remaining time element of the 70 weeks prophecy yet to be fulfilled. This will be fulfilled at the end of time when the Messiah will remove the blindness of their (Jews) eyes and they will come to realize the One they have pierced. They will accept the Messiah as their God and preach the testimony of Jesus for the final 3.5 years and then the end. This 3.5 years is in Revelation and speaks to the final time and what will take place right before His return. 
 

Therefore, when the world witnesses the Jews acknowledging Jesus as their Messiah, we will have 3.5 years remaining and then the 4th GJ will be counted as complete- 490 years. 

I know that many believe that the 70th week was in the past. And they were certainly correct in doing so. And some even want to split the 70th week into two sections of 3.5 years and move one half into the end times.

But there are also some who can show very good proof that there is also a secondary count of the 70 weeks that matches with the 7 and 62 Fingerprint. It goes back to Isaac Newton's commentary on Daniel 9 of why the weeks were split up. Why didn't Gabriel just say 69 weeks until Messiah the Prince. Newton suggested the idea that Daniel 9 was also addressing the second coming. But like Isaac said, "let time be the interpreter".

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

31 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

The little horn is indeed the papacy. Look in Daniel 7,8, 9, and 11 - look at ALL the characteristics that God has Gabriel record to identify him. 
 You simply can miss him. If he is not (after you review all those specific characteristics attributed to him), then look at the timing of his arrival. He comes out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome not the 4 generals of the post Alexander period (the 4 generals are still within the 3rd kingdom period). 
 

Then, you tell me who meets all those requirements… who do you say is this little horn.

I can assure you, he is a MAN and he is the papacy. 

 

 

The “pleasant land or the glorious land” in this verse speaks to heaven not physical Jerusalem. The little horn will not come to full power until the 6th century - the papal Rome part of the 4th kingdom. And since Jerusalem was completely destroyed by Titus in 70 AD, this verse can not be speaking of a literal Jerusalem. It speaks to the direction of the compass this little horn will attack - he will even go against the God in heaven. He will claim equality with God, infallibility, forgiveness of sin , etc.

Yes, when God removes the blindness of the Jews at the end of time, they will go out to the world preaching Jesus, their Messiah and then He will come. 

This is figurative language and happened right after the cross. 

 

This is not figurative language. This will occur at the end of time when Jesus will return. Only God returns in the clouds. Thus, it speaks to His second coming. The verses in Daniel are not written in chronological order just as the chapters are not in chronological order. 

 

End time events. 

Not only have read the book of Daniel,I've read the gospels ,revelation and about everything else concerning the beast.

You base your understanding on extrabiblical sources.No where in the bible does scripture say the papacy is the little horn no more than there is a 7 year tribulation.

My understanding comes from study of scripture and observation of the beast as I read about it in the news about everyday.Perhaps after Donald Trump is reelected and gives the little horn a host ,then you might understand.But if you continue to read extrabiblical sources for your understanding then you will probably never learn.

As I've stated already. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the best source of information about the coming tribulation caused by the little horn.You can either believe Christ or ignore him.

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

I still agree with you here.

Yes. He was "cut off" in the middle of that week, but not for Himself.

But the people of the prince came and did destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it came with a flood, and till the end, (even right now in our time), wars and desolations are determined.

The people of the prince represent the people of pagan Rome. They preceed the "prince who is to come - the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8" Pagan Rome is in power at the time of the cross and after for another 400 years. Then pagan Rome will be slain and its body destroyed. This brings in the little horn of Daniel who will begin his reign over papal Rome. Those that preceeded the little horn will come to worship the little horn. The beginning of this process is of course the cross, but it is accelerated when Constantine allows Chrisitiantity to be an accepted religion. The destruction of the city and temple occurred in 70 AD - almost 400 years before the little horn would take power.

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

And that was the end of the first century story.

Then in verse 27, Jesus confirms the covenant with many for ONE WEEK. Not half a week, 1 whole week.

No, He did not come to confirm the covenant FOR a week. He came during the final week of the prophecy to confirm the covenant.

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (Casting the censer down in Revelation 8).

The cross eliminated any further need for the Levitical ceremonies. They were a type and shadow of the coming Messiah, who would offer Himself once and for all to atone for our sins. Now, the temple, the sanctuary, the sacrificial services were all done away with.  THEIR mission in God's plan of salvation was fulfilled.

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

And on the overspreading of abominations, (increased lawlessness, abortion, murders, same sex marriage), shall be one, (Satan), who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.” (Beast thrown into the lake of fire).

This speaks of the Jews rejection of their Messiah. As a result of this rejection, they (Jews) would be made "desolate" with their God for the coming 2000 years.
 

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

Both timelines begin with various decrees to restore Jerusalem. Some of the decrees are in our more modern times.

The ONLY remaining prophecy to be completed regarding the 70 weeks is the one that must be completed by the Jews. The Messiah fulfilled ALL of His 6 requirements before or at the cross. He cried out on the cross, "it is finished." He finished His mission despite not being on the earth during the entire 7 year period - last week. However, as a result of the cross the "counting" of the years to c0mplete the final / 4th Great Jubilee was stopped. Consequently, there is still 3.5 years they must get back in good standing / fellowship with their God to once again start the clock to finish the 4th GJ. After the Messiah removes the blindness from their eyes they will preach Jesus for 3.5 years - finishthe GJ and bring in the return of the Messiah.

There is NO 7 year tribulation - that was intentionally fabricated by the little horn (papacy) in the 16th century. And if you tell a story long enough to each generation of children, it becomes an accepted interpretation. But it is anything but scriptural.

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

I know that many believe that the 70th week was in the past. And they were certainly correct in doing so. And some even want to split the 70th week into two sections of 3.5 years and move one half into the end times.

Please see the response above to this. God completed His mission but the Jews have 3.5 years at the end of time to preach the Messiah, Jesus. God has indeed planned this from the beginning of time.

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

But there are also some who can show very good proof that there is also a secondary count of the 70 weeks that matches with the 7 and 62 Fingerprint. It goes back to Isaac Newton's commentary on Daniel 9 of why the weeks were split up. Why didn't Gabriel just say 69 weeks until Messiah the Prince. Newton suggested the idea that Daniel 9 was also addressing the second coming. But like Isaac said, "let time be the interpreter".

Peaceful Sabbath.

There are many theories about the 70 weeks.  I apologize for mentioning this but on 11/1/23, my book - New Interpretations Book of Daniel with a subtitle of "Can you see Me now..." will go live. This 5 year study focuses on how the verses in Daniel speak to the Messiah and NOT to the 4 kingdoms. Most of the major interpretations of Daniel focus on the physical not the spiritual meanings within those verses. It is a COMPLETELY NEW SET OF INTERPRETATIONS BASED ON THE MESSIAH, NOT THE KINGDOMS OF MAN. The book of Daniel is all about the coming Messiah and His plan of salvation for the Jews and mankind. Almost all currently accepted interpretations have an "historical" approach (how well their interpretations match our history books). But Daniel is NOT a history lesson, it comes from the mind of God and does NOT have to include or can exclude any actor or event that may be found in our history books. He will only include those actors and events that are part of HIS plan of salvation.

2 hours ago, Dave Watchman said:

 

 

 

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Not only have read the book of Daniel,I've read the gospels ,revelation and about everything else concerning the beast.

I understand but I must mention that the book of Daniel was written for no less than 3 disctinct audiences; FIRST for the Jews who would be returning to Jerusalem after the 70 years in captivity in Babylon. If we were to stop at this point, it should be clear that God made sure the Tanakh (which of course includes Daniel) was complete in all its ways. The Messiah could not arrive until the Tankh was finished - all three sections. Thus, the book of Daniel would have ALL the necessary prophecies within the 12 chapters (along with the other Messianic prophecies in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.) to read, study and learn of their coming Messiah. Meaning, they would not have a need for ANY extrabiblical soucre records. They would not accept any writings but the Tanakh. And my particualr study ONLY focused on those records found within the Tanakh.  Therefore, we should expect to find the Messiah in Daniel and the other books of the Tanakh - ONLY, and He can be found there. 

The other books of the bible - NT are important because they speak to the coming Messiah after the fact - BUT OUR INTERPRETATIONS OF THE GOSPELS, PAUL'S WRITINGS AND CERTAINLY REVELATION, can NOT contracdict Daniel and the Tankh.

Today's major interpretations on Daniel are incorrect and therefore if they attempt to confirm them in Revelation, they will also be incorrect. Daniel MUST be interpreted without any NT source documents  - just as the Jews would have in the 1st century AD.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You base your understanding on extrabiblical sources.No where in the bible does scripture say the papacy is the little horn no more than there is a 7 year tribulation.

Of course the bible does not mention then name of the papacy.. just like the word "trinity" is not mentioned. However, if you read Daniel 7,8, 9 and 11 God has given us so much of his characteristics that there can only be ONE person this speaks to ... the little horn. He has gone t0 great lengths identifying the little horn and when he will come to power (after the demise of pagan Rome) in the 6th century AD.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

My understanding comes from study of scripture and observation of the beast as I read about it in the news about everyday.Perhaps after Donald Trump is reelected and gives the little horn a host ,then you might understand.But if you continue to read extrabiblical sources for your understanding then you will probably never learn.

There is nothing in the book of Daniel that concerns the US, Russia, China, Islam, or Trump or whoever. The ONLY characters remaining are the little horn and God. That is where the "war" is. It is for our soul or salvation. The little horn will preach a different gospel and claim to be god on earth , forgive sins, infallibility, corrupt His Word and the 10 commandments - this is the little horn (papacy) who has been doing this for 1500 years.

God is not spending His prophetic capital on current events - go to your TV channel or internet for how man continues to treat man - that has been done since Cain and Able. Daniel is focusing on the Messiah and His plan of salvation and the one who fights against Him - the little horn.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

As I've stated already. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the best source of information about the coming tribulation caused by the little horn.You can either believe Christ or ignore him.

I do believe Jesus, what I find confusing is some of today's interpretations on what He meant.

The book of Daniel is prophetic and speaks to His plan of salvation. So you believe in the gospels and not necessarily Daniel (not sure you are saying this but that is how I interpret it because Daniel comes before the gospels and God has not forgot to include anything in Daniel that would not identify Him or the little horn in those 12 chapters). 

Tell me:

1) In Matthew 24:15, who is he speaking about?

2) In Mark 13:14, who  is he speaking about?

3) In Matthew 24:22, who is he speaking about?

 

Just for your information (which really does not amount to anything), I just completed a New Interpretations commentary on the book of Daniel which should go live (available for purchase) on 11/1/23 on Amazon. I am not saying this to have you purchase the book but to mention I have spent the last 5 years on Daniel. Having spent 5 years or 55 years does not mean my interpretations are correct, but they are correct for me. And I believe many may make sense - they completely depart from today's accepted interpretations.

 

Therefore, if you do not mind, would you please address the 3 questions above that DO relate to the gospels...

 

Thanks so much, Charlie

[Dave Watchman]

2 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Tell me:

1) In Matthew 24:15, who is he speaking about?

2) In Mark 13:14, who  is he speaking about?

3) In Matthew 24:22, who is he speaking about?

I wish I could tell you Charlie. These ones are biggies. And it's a long long long story. Me and a couple guys figured it out in 2015, when we were having the four blood moons. (I don't think it'd be a good idea to put in a book)

Mathew 24 is all end times. The AofD is end times. Our time. That's probably why Luke took it out of his Chapter 21, and put the hint of it in Chapter 17,(after the mention of Days of Lot), right after the mention of it we read those same instructions on what to do when we see it, from Mathew 24. The 1290 days is the slam dunk though. That's the empirical I can hold in my hand. It's the second green bar in my bar graph.

My recommendation, or what I do is to focus primarily on the prophetic time periods themselves. Here is where the price action makes for market commentary. Trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. Like how the pilot flies by instrumentation when ground flight rules are not appropriate. We see through the glass dimly.

Our price action, our instrumentation, are the 18 prophetic time periods in Daniel and Revelation. Let me find the time, times and half a time, and I'll show you where the Dragon is chasing the woman, and the place prepared by God for her protection. Find the 5 months of Revelation 9, and I'll show you WHAT the scorpion sting was. Show me the 7 and the 62 weeks until Messiah the Prince, and I can show you when to be looking for His star in the east. Even in the end times. Let the prophetic time periods dictate the true doctrine.

I had a question about the Hebrew words in the original text of Daniel 9 at verse 26 when I started posting here. I think I found the answer in another place. (Took me long enough.)

Thanks for the discussion Charlie, good luck with your book..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Charlie744]

35 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

I wish I could tell you Charlie. These ones are biggies. And it's a long long long story. Me and a couple guys figured it out in 2015, when we were having the four blood moons. (I don't think it'd be a good idea to put in a book)

Mathew 24 is all end times. The AofD is end times. Our time. That's probably why Luke took it out of his Chapter 21, and put the hint of it in Chapter 17,(after the mention of Days of Lot), right after the mention of it we read those same instructions on what to do when we see it, from Mathew 24. The 1290 days is the slam dunk though. That's the empirical I can hold in my hand. It's the second green bar in my bar graph.

My recommendation, or what I do is to focus primarily on the prophetic time periods themselves. Here is where the price action makes for market commentary. Trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. Like how the pilot flies by instrumentation when ground flight rules are not appropriate. We see through the glass dimly.

Our price action, our instrumentation, are the 18 prophetic time periods in Daniel and Revelation. Let me find the time, times and half a time, and I'll show you where the Dragon is chasing the woman, and the place prepared by God for her protection. Find the 5 months of Revelation 9, and I'll show you WHAT the scorpion sting was. Show me the 7 and the 62 weeks until Messiah the Prince, and I can show you when to be looking for His star in the east. Even in the end times. Let the prophetic time periods dictate the true doctrine.

I had a question about the Hebrew words in the original text of Daniel 9 at verse 26 when I started posting here. I think I found the answer in another place. (Took me long enough.)

Thanks for the discussion Charlie, good luck with your book..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you may have lost me a little… 

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the time, times and 1/2 times or the 1290 days?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I understand but I must mention that the book of Daniel was written for no less than 3 disctinct audiences; FIRST for the Jews who would be returning to Jerusalem after the 70 years in captivity in Babylon. If we were to stop at this point, it should be clear that God made sure the Tanakh (which of course includes Daniel) was complete in all its ways. The Messiah could not arrive until the Tankh was finished - all three sections. Thus, the book of Daniel would have ALL the necessary prophecies within the 12 chapters (along with the other Messianic prophecies in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.) to read, study and learn of their coming Messiah. Meaning, they would not have a need for ANY extrabiblical soucre records. They would not accept any writings but the Tanakh. And my particualr study ONLY focused on those records found within the Tanakh.  Therefore, we should expect to find the Messiah in Daniel and the other books of the Tanakh - ONLY, and He can be found there. 

The other books of the bible - NT are important because they speak to the coming Messiah after the fact - BUT OUR INTERPRETATIONS OF THE GOSPELS, PAUL'S WRITINGS AND CERTAINLY REVELATION, can NOT contracdict Daniel and the Tankh.

Today's major interpretations on Daniel are incorrect and therefore if they attempt to confirm them in Revelation, they will also be incorrect. Daniel MUST be interpreted without any NT source documents  - just as the Jews would have in the 1st century AD.

Of course the bible does not mention then name of the papacy.. just like the word "trinity" is not mentioned. However, if you read Daniel 7,8, 9 and 11 God has given us so much of his characteristics that there can only be ONE person this speaks to ... the little horn. He has gone t0 great lengths identifying the little horn and when he will come to power (after the demise of pagan Rome) in the 6th century AD.

There is nothing in the book of Daniel that concerns the US, Russia, China, Islam, or Trump or whoever. The ONLY characters remaining are the little horn and God. That is where the "war" is. It is for our soul or salvation. The little horn will preach a different gospel and claim to be god on earth , forgive sins, infallibility, corrupt His Word and the 10 commandments - this is the little horn (papacy) who has been doing this for 1500 years.

God is not spending His prophetic capital on current events - go to your TV channel or internet for how man continues to treat man - that has been done since Cain and Able. Daniel is focusing on the Messiah and His plan of salvation and the one who fights against Him - the little horn.

I do believe Jesus, what I find confusing is some of today's interpretations on what He meant.

The book of Daniel is prophetic and speaks to His plan of salvation. So you believe in the gospels and not necessarily Daniel (not sure you are saying this but that is how I interpret it because Daniel comes before the gospels and God has not forgot to include anything in Daniel that would not identify Him or the little horn in those 12 chapters). 

Tell me:

1) In Matthew 24:15, who is he speaking about?

2) In Mark 13:14, who  is he speaking about?

3) In Matthew 24:22, who is he speaking about?

 

Just for your information (which really does not amount to anything), I just completed a New Interpretations commentary on the book of Daniel which should go live (available for purchase) on 11/1/23 on Amazon. I am not saying this to have you purchase the book but to mention I have spent the last 5 years on Daniel. Having spent 5 years or 55 years does not mean my interpretations are correct, but they are correct for me. And I believe many may make sense - they completely depart from today's accepted interpretations.

 

Therefore, if you do not mind, would you please address the 3 questions above that DO relate to the gospels...

 

Thanks so much, Charlie

You obviously don't understand Daniel at all.You say you must interpret Daniel without the new testiment is more reason you don't understand Daniel.Jesus in the gospel taught me much about Daniel just by mentioning a few small details which few people pay attention too.

As for the Donald,not only is Donald there but so is Obama,both Bushes and Reagan.Its a very interesting book.

Just think,you read about all them while you was reading Daniel and never knew it.

As for the little horn,he's not doing very well these days.Everyone around him hates him .His time is running out.In about 5 years or so his kingdom will be destroyed and given to the saints ,to whom it was promised as an everlasting possession.

Daniel 7

 

²⁶ But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

²⁷ And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.