"Hell" Etymology & Thoughts

[Your closest friendnt]

On 11/25/2023 at 4:48 PM, WilliamL said:

As Vine Abner correctly wrote, 

Sheol: used in 65 times in OT - considered the place or state of all the dead

Hades: used 11 times in NT - same basic meaning as Sheol (literally means "not to see")

So there was quite a lot about Hell/Sheol in the OT. For example, 

Deut. 32:22 For a fire is kindled in My anger,

And shall burn to the lowest Sheol/hell;

It shall consume the earth with her increase,

And set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

-- from which we can glean that there are different depths in Sheol/hell.

The reference was made about the unseen world. The underworld, the gathering of the people after their death. In simple words the living on the earth cannot see in the underworld. It refers to another world besides the world of the people living on earth which the people can see, but they cannot see the underworld in the heart of the earth. This in simple words it also indicates that the physical in man can burn but the spiritual man it does not burn, fire destroys only the physical but not the spiritual. 

It say that there is or exist another world in the heart of the earth which cannot been seen from the living on the earth. 

This was a reference to the underworld to where Jesus descended at the time of his death.  

The Greeks used their own language and their own vocabulary and they call that place, the place of the dead, a world not seen from the surface of the earth when someone is looking down in the ground but that it does not nean it does not exist.

That also tell us that the Greeks and the Romans believed in life after death. That man continues to live in the unseen world from the still living people on the earth. They believe the life keeps going on in the underworld and they knew where this place was. 

The Jews call this place Sheol, as opposed to the Greeks who in their language they call it Ades, or for the non Greeks because of their grammar they added the "H" at the beginning of the world and they pronounced it Hades. And they write it in this form. 

In the time of Jesus the Nations who were ruled by the Greeks who divided the kingdom of Alexander the Great after his death, the Greek language was spoken by the learn people and it was a common language for all the different nations of the kingdoms of Alexander Inheritance. The Ptolemeous one of the Generals of Alexander who fought with him from Macedonian all the way to Babylon and who after the death of Alexander ruled one of the five divisions of Alexander's conquered Persian Empire. That time they called the Greeks  Hellinas, and without the "H" and not Greeks. The whole ancient world of that region was influenced by the Greek, "Helliniki" Civilisation.

Jesus used the word Hades (in Greek Ades) and for that matter John also referred to that place as Hades from the Greek word for the place of the dead where Jesus was raised from the dead in Revelations one. 

John wrote that Jesus told him that He has the Keys of Death and Hades. Revelation chapter one. 

Jesus said that the Death and Hades lost their dominance on the people of the earth when they died. That did not included Abraham and his chosen descendents who were gathered down stairs also but in their own place seperated from the rest of the people of the world where Hades the God of the dead was off-limits to the place Abraham and his descendents were gathered after their death waiting for the One God had proposed to them who will take them to his own Inheritance given to him from God in the Heavenly place. Jesus opened the way to the Heavenly Inheritance to the Heavenly Father. 

Before the Cross this was the scenario: when anyone died from the people of the world

(but Abraham and his chosen children after him from him to Issac to Jacob and to all the sons of Jacob the Israelites)  

Death harvest the people and Hades followed him and took all the people unto himself, that was the default Inheritance of Mankind but Abraham. JESUS tell us that this ended with his death on the Cross. The Gospel was preached and Jesus has to decide every one's eternal fate, and this is why Jesus preached the Gospel to all the dead in Hades as to also Judge them according to their faith in him. Everyone is Judged by Jesus Christ according to his faith in him.

With Jesus Christ we have the new Inheritance for those who believe in him those who rejected him they have have Hades for their Inheritance and because this final because it comes with the Judgement of Jesus Christ we have come to call that place Hell, which is synonymous to the place Jesus Christ sends those who have rejected him and were judged by Him.  

Edited November 27, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Death harvest the people and Hades followed him and took all the people unto himself, that was the default Inheritance of Mankind but Abraham.

Hades = Sheol was the abode all of the dead, including those of Abraham's bosom, which contained all of the OT faithful. None of the dead souls could ascend until Jesus' atonement in the heavenly sanctuary. Before that atonement, the souls of the dead were separated in Sheol/Hades according to their righteousness or unrighteousness. But all were considered unclean before the atonement.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Hades = Sheol was the abode all of the dead, including those of Abraham's bosom, which contained all of the OT faithful. None of the dead souls could ascend until Jesus' atonement in the heavenly sanctuary. Before that atonement, the souls of the dead were separated in Sheol/Hades according to their righteousness or unrighteousness. But all were considered unclean before the atonement.

Abraham was the Patriarch of the chosen children like Issac and Jacob and from Jacob all his children and their children's children the Nation of Israel, the Nation of God in the blessings of Abraham. 

In other words God set apart Abraham and his chosen children from the rest of the world, by a declaration he made Abraham who was a righteous person in Genesis 15:7 a righteous person for the rest of his life and in the life after his death and in Genesis 15: God told him what will be his Inheritance after his death. God specifically told him that he will be gathered to his Ansestors and Abraham had to descend to at the time of his death. God he repeated that to Issac and to Jacob and later to some of the important people who did his will. 

By repeating to one after the other that they will be gathered to Abraham when they were expecting for that as they called Abraham their Father because they also got from Abraham not just his blood but the clean seed of Abraham which they came from. That's why God can continue to be their God as he was the God of Abraham but their Father was Abraham as they were in his righteousness by the Covenant of Cirumcision. With the Sinai Covenant God started to Judge the people for their sins and He gave them the whole set up for the forgiveness of their sins because till that time he did not hold their sins against them. They were not sanctified and he stayed away from them till their sanctification began with Moses and Aaron.  This is why God said to Moses Abraham only knew me as the Almighty but from that time on he will be with the people the way he was with them in the dessert and later on as he was in the Arc and then in the most Holy place on the mercy sit in the Temple to Judge his people that time sanctified with the blood of the sacrificial animals.

To go continue where we were before the Lord kept saying to some Key people that it is not you that your Inheritance after death will change as to be gathered "to him". Which was impossible at that time till the apointed man will come and through that man the destination Inheritance for the people will change to the Heavenly one by him being the first one to be taken to Heaven to his Inheritance and begin to gathered his people unto himself in a similar fashion God gave to Abraham his own Inheritance after his death what was known as the Bosom of Abraham where he gathered his children. God told Abraham that he had to descend at the time of his death and he repeated that to Issac and Jacob at the least. 

That's where Abraham gathered his chosen children and we see that in exodus where God let Moses know that Isaac and Jacob were gathered to Abraham (emphasizing the the other children of Abraham and Isaac (Esau) were excluded and their children were excluded and only the children of Jacob and their childrens children were included thus telling Abraham that he was his God and he was included inspite growing in the Palace of the Pharaoh and be introduced to their Gods as the other prince of Egypt were being blessed by the Gods of Egypt and bowing down to them. Upon the Lord letting Moses know that he was his from birth, that he was born to him and he was his God all the while even inviting Moses to come close to him face to face with him and talk to him in this way and live "Moses hid his face" because inspite of his past as a prince and the Gods of Egypt the Lord had put all things away just like with Paul when Jesus appeared to him and aproch him putting all the past things away Moses like Paul understood that they were invited to  be in the service or were recruited for a special propose as Paul said "what do you want me to do".

Moses and Paul in similar situations  

About Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants were all gathered to Abraham. They were from the clean seed and set apart from the rest of the world in life and after their death because God told Moses I am still their God even after their death and Jesus set the record in order when he said that the God of the dead had nothing to do with Abraham and his chosen children who were the children of God in Abraham.  

Jesus said that Abraham knew of my day and he rejoice, the day when Jesus will descend to them after his death and he will be wellcome as the one to whom God has predestined to give the Heaven as his Inheritance and for his children, and through whom God will have children in him in his name and in his blood children sanctified and justified in his blood. 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Your closest friendnt