Time passes during the 7 years

[Shilohsfoal]

59 minutes ago, douggg said:

Clarify what you think the beast from the sea is.

The beast from the sea is the Israeli government.

The deadly wound was healed in 1948 and the world was amazed.

 

The beast that ascends out of the abyss doesn't show up in Jerusalem till the time of the end.

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I don't care how you try to slice it.

 

If you want to believe the beast will reign with Christ,then that's your belief.The word of God does not say what you teach.

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

We believe that the a/C and false prophet rule the first 42 months.  The dragon rules for the next 42 months. Christ then rules for the next 1000 years. 

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[Montana Marv]

Why do you always argue with us. We do not believe in your position. And never will. You haven't changed our minds in the years you have been posting. Why waist your time on us.

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[Shilohsfoal]

12 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

We believe that the a/C and false prophet rule the first 42 months.  The dragon rules for the next 42 months. Christ then rules for the next 1000 years. 

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

Well,your wrong.

The saints are only persecuted for 42 months.Not 7 years .

And after those 42 months are  finished ,Christ reigns for ever and ever.Not 1000 years.

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

[Shilohsfoal]

The resurection takes place when Christ comes.This is what we call being resurrected from.the dead.

 

 

⁸ And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

⁹ And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

¹⁰ And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

¹¹ And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

¹² And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

 

Seeing the resurrection takes place on this day,how then can you keep saying the beast continues to reign ?Them who died the previous 42 months before the resurrection who did not worship the beast or it's image,and did not receive it's mark reign with Christ after the resurrection.Not the beast.

 

Revelation 20

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[Montana Marv]

On 12/12/2023 at 10:38 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

The saints are only persecuted for 42 months.Not 7 years .

N.T. Believers have been persecuted for the past 2000 years.  You must be referring to a different group of saints, which are only persecuted for 42 months of the first 42 month period.. And yet following that; Israel is protected in the wilderness for another 42 months out of reach of the Dragon.

On 12/12/2023 at 10:38 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

So Armageddon is the 6th Trumpet then?????  Yet the 6th Trumpet is when the great 200,000,000 person army on horses comes out of the East and crosses the Euphrates River later as on dry land.  And the rest of mankind who were not killed continued (did not stop) worshiping demons and idols. The Euphrates River is about 700 miles from Armageddon. A 30 day trek or more.  In essence the angels sickle are gathering the grapes for the wine press.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

19 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

N.T. Believers have been persecuted for the past 2000 years.  You must be referring to a different group of saints, which are only persecuted for 42 months of the first 42 month period.. And yet following that; Israel is protected in the wilderness for another 42 months out of reach of the Dragon.

So Armageddon is the 6th Trumpet then?????  Yet the 6th Trumpet is when the great 200,000,000 person army on horses comes out of the East and crosses the Euphrates River later as on dry land.  And the rest of mankind who were not killed continued (did not stop) worshiping demons and idols. The Euphrates River is about 700 miles from Armageddon. A 30 day trek or more.  In essence the angels sickle are gathering the grapes for the wine press.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I haven't said anything about the 6th trump.

I said Christ reigns when the 7th trump sounds as scripture says.You claim the dragon  reigns when the seventh trump sound.

Show me who you are calling the dragon  in the following verse.

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Edited December 13, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

What translation are you using ?

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.    kjv

Kingdoms plural.

18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Is that not speaking about the seven vials of God's wrath in Revelation 16 ?

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The problem is that you are misunderstanding verse 15.   

Basically, what that verse is saying is that the time has come for the kingdoms of this world to become the kingdom of God and His Christ.

It is "are become" in verse 15.

In Revelation 10:6-7, "there should be time no longer" is just a way of saying "no more delay".

In the "days" indicating a block of time, not a day, when the seventh angel begins to sound, marking the beginning of that block time, that the mystery of God as he has declared to his servant the prophets be finished.

That block of time is the time/times/half time that Satan will have left after the seven angel sounds his trumpet.

6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.   kjv

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

34 minutes ago, douggg said:

What translation are you using ?

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.    kjv

Kingdoms plural.

18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Is that not speaking about the seven vials of God's wrath in Revelation 16 ?

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The problem is that you are misunderstanding verse 15.   

Basically, what that verse is saying is that the time has come for the kingdoms of this world to become the kingdom of God and His Christ.

It is "are become" in verse 15.

In Revelation 10:6-7, "there should be time no longer" is just a way of saying "no more delay".

In the "days" indicating a block of time, not a day, when the seventh angel begins to sound, marking the beginning of that block time, that the mystery of God as he has declared to his servant the prophets be finished.

That block of time is the time/times/half time that Satan will have left after the seven angel sounds his trumpet.

6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.   kjv

 

I have not read of a time block in revelation.Is this something you have added to revelation to help you with your case of having the dragon reign with Christ Insted of the resurected saints?

 

 

 

¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

As for the translation.Most translations have kingdom,singular.And that is also how I understand it.Christs kingdom is singular.

 

 

New International Version
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

New Living Translation
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices shouting in heaven: “The world has now become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever.”

English Standard Version
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Berean Standard Bible
Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

Berean Literal Bible
And the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were great voices in heaven, saying: "The kingdom of the world has become that of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign to the ages of the ages."

King James Bible
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

New King James Version
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

New American Standard Bible
Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

NASB 1995
Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

NASB 1977
And the seventh angel sounded; and there arose loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

Legacy Standard Bible
Then the seventh angel sounded, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

Amplified Bible
Then the seventh angel sounded [his trumpet]; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom (dominion, rule) of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

Christian Standard Bible
The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying, The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying: The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Messiah, and He will reign forever and ever!

American Standard Version
And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And the seventh Angel sounded, and there were great voices in Heaven that said, “The Kingdom of the world has become our God's and his Messiah's, and he shall reign to the eternity of eternities.”

Contemporary English Version
At the sound of the seventh trumpet, loud voices were heard in heaven. They said, "Now the kingdom of this world belongs to our Lord and to his Chosen One! And he will rule forever and ever

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the seventh angel sounded the trumpet: and there were great voices in heaven, saying: The kingdom of this world is become our Lord's and his Christ's, and he shall reign for ever and ever. Amen.

English Revised Version
And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
When the seventh angel blew his trumpet, there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will rule as king forever and ever."

Good News Translation
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The power to rule over the world belongs now to our Lord and his Messiah, and he will rule forever and ever!"

Literal Standard Version
And the seventh messenger sounded the trumpet, and there came great voices in Heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of the world became [those] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign through the ages of the ages!”

Majority Standard Bible
Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

New American Bible
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet. There were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world now belongs to our Lord and to his Anointed, and he will reign forever and ever

NET Bible
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."

New Revised Standard Version
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign forever and ever.”

New Heart English Bible
The seventh angel sounded, and great voices in heaven followed, saying, "The kingdom of the world now belongs to our Lord and to his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever."

Webster's Bible Translation
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he will reign for ever and ever.

Weymouth New Testament
The seventh angel blew his trumpet; and there followed loud voices in Heaven which said, "The sovereignty of the world now belongs to our Lord and His Christ; and He will be King until the Ages of the Ages."

World English Bible
The seventh angel sounded, and great voices in heaven followed, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ. He will reign forever and ever!”

Young's Literal Translation
And the seventh messenger did sound, and there came great voices in the heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of the world did become those of our Lord and of His Christ, and he shall reign to the ages of the ages!

[douggg]

21 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I have not read of a time block in revelation.Is this something you have added to revelation to help you with your case of having the dragon reign with Christ Insted of the resurected saints?

No Satan does not reign with Christ.   

You are not understand Revelation 12.   Maybe this will help you....

 

The first five verses of Revelation 12 are a visual portrayal of biblical events to identify the woman in the rest of Revelation 12 as Israel, stemming from a dream Joseph had in Genesis, and the four gospels about Jesus, and Acts 1 when he was caught up to heaven.

Revelation 12:6-17 are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 determined upon Jerusalem and Daniel's people - the Jews - making up Israel, the woman.

One of the reasons we can know those verses are about the 7 years is because of the description of the dragon - i.e. the crowns/no crowns on the heads and horns compared to the other two visuals in Revelation 13 and 17.   Heads and horns.

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Heads and horns...

In Revelation 12, with 7 years to go before the mystery of God spoken of by the mighty angel in Revelation 10:7 is finished - the heads have crowns, the horns do not.

What that means is that at the start of the 7 years, the seven kings of the prophecy of the seven kings in Revelation 17:10 is complete, i.e. king 7 has come to power - the little horn person.

In Revelation 12, none of the horns have crowns, because the little horn person has not transformed into the beast-king at that point.

Compared to Revelation 13, which with 42 months left to go, the horns have crowns, because the ten kings rule with the beast-king, Revelation 17:12, for "one hour", an expression for the 42 months.

The little horn has become the beast-king in Revelation 13, king eight of Revelation 17:11.

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So in it's simplest terms, Revelation 12, verses are....

1. verses 1-5 are a visual portrayal centered on the historic biblical events about the woman Israel and Jesus the man-child she gave birth to.

2. verse 6-17 are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 pertaining to Israel and the Jews.

......a. the 1260 days first half

......b. the time, times, half time of the second half

 

  

 

  

Edited December 14, 2023 by douggg