Time passes during the 7 years

[Montana Marv]

23 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I haven't said anything about the 6th trump.

I said Christ reigns when the 7th trump sounds as scripture says.You claim the dragon  reigns when the seventh trump sound.

So when is Armageddon; And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, Come gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great, (Rev 19:17,18) If not after the 7th Trumpet in time, it must be before the 7th Trumpet in time.  Show me.

For me the Dragon reigns through all the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgments.  From the A/D to the time he is bound and put into the Abyss.  42 Months.

Rev 9:12 - The first woe has past; two other woes are yet to come.  This is after the 5th Trumpet. Now Trumpets 6 and 7 follow. So do you call Christ reigning for a 1000 years one of these two remaining Woes.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[Shilohsfoal]

19 minutes ago, douggg said:

No Satan does not reign with Christ.   

You are not understand Revelation 12.   Maybe this will help you....

 

The first five verses of Revelation 12 are a visual portrayal of biblical events to identify the woman in the rest of Revelation 12 as Israel, stemming from a dream Joesph had in Genesis, and the four gospels about Jesus, and Acts 1 when he was caught up to heaven.

Revelation 12:6-17 are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 determined upon Jerusalem and Daniel's people - the Jews - making up Israel, the woman.

One of the reasons we can know those verses are about the 7 years is because of the description of the dragon - i.e. the crowns/no crowns on the heads and horns compared to the other two visuals in Revelation 13 and 17.   Heads and horns.

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Heads and horns...

In Revelation 12, with 7 years to go before the mystery of God spoken of by the mighty angel in Revelation 10:7 is finished - the heads have crowns, the horns do not.

What that means is that at the start of the 7 years, the seven kings of the prophecy of the seven kings in Revelation 17:10 is complete, i.e. king 7 has come to power - the little horn person.

In Revelation 12, none of the horns have crowns, because the little horn person has not transformed into the beast-king at that point.

Compared to Revelation 13, which with 42 months left to go, the horns have crowns, because the ten kings rule with the beast-king, Revelation 17:12, for "one hour", an expression for the 42 months.

The little horn has become the beast-king in Revelation 13, king eight of Revelation 17:11.

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So in it's simplest terms, Revelation 12, verses are....

1. verses 1-5 are a visual portrayal centered on the historic biblical events about the woman Israel and Jesus the man-child she gave birth to.

2. verse 6-17 are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 pertaining to Israel and the Jews.

......a. the 1260 days first half

......b. the time, times, half time of the second half

 

  

 

  

You sure do dance around around a simple subject of Christ reigning at the sound of the seventh Trump.

 

See,once the nations attack Jerusalem three days before the seventh Trump sounds and they capture Jerusalem,that is all the time the nations have over Jerusalem.The Lord comes and then he fights against those nations.Do,you see the beast which ascends out of the abyss doesn't reign over Jerusalem for 42 months .It was the beast which rises out of the sea which reigned over Jerusalem while the two witnesses occupied Jerusalem.

The two witnesses were there to help the beast from the sea for those 42 months.

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

So when is Armageddon; And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, Come gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great, (Rev 19:17,18) If not after the 7th Trumpet in time, it must be before the 7th Trumpet in time.  Show me.

For me the Dragon reigns through all the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgments.  From the A/D to the time he is bound and put into the Abyss.  42 Months.

Rev 9:12 - The first woe has past; two other woes are yet to come.  This is after the 5th Trumpet. Now Trumpets 6 and 7 follow. So do you call Christ reigning for a 1000 years one of these two remaining Woes.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

The false prophet and the beast are destroyed when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem.They are cast into the lake of fire which is in the center of the cloud caused by the AOD.

It's the AOD that causes the great earthquake and the cloud to ascend from Jerusalem at the time of the seventh Trump.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[douggg]

12 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

See,once the nations attack Jerusalem three days before the seventh Trump sounds and they capture Jerusalem,that is all the time the nations have over Jerusalem.The Lord comes and then he fights against those nations.Do,you see the beast which ascends out of the abyss doesn't reign over Jerusalem for 42 months .It was the beast which rises out of the sea which reigned over Jerusalem while the two witnesses occupied Jerusalem.

The two witnesses were there to help the beast from the sea for those 42 months.

In Revelation 11, the people in the nations are exchanging presents and celebrating with one another for those 3 days - so the nations are not attacking Jerusalem at that time.     Attacking Jerusalem is not in Revelation 11 before the seventh angel sounds.

The beast king of Revelation 13 will be possessed by the spirit of the Garden of Eden serpent beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

So the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit in Revelation 11 is talking about the same person - the beast king.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, douggg said:

In Revelation 11, the people in the nations are exchanging presents and celebrating with one another for those 3 days - so the nations are not attacking Jerusalem at that time.     Attacking Jerusalem is not in Revelation 11 before the seventh angel sounds.

The beast king of Revelation 13 will be possessed by the spirit of the Garden of Eden serpent beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

So the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit in Revelation 11 is talking about the same person - the beast king.

They are celebrating because they have already taken Jerusalem.The people who had been defending Jerusalem for the previous 1260 days are laying dead in the streets.

 

 

 

Zech 14

² For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

³ Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

[douggg]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

They are celebrating because they have already taken Jerusalem.The people who had been defending Jerusalem for the previous 1260 days are laying dead in the streets.

No, here is what the bible says...

9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

No-one is attacking Jerusalem in Revelation 11.

You have the timing of the 7th angel sounding at the wrong time during the 7 years because you don't understand what Revelation 11:15 is saying.

Zechariah 14, when Jesus Returns to the Mt. of Olives, takes place at the end of the 7 years.    The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are in Revelation 12 as I have explained a few posts back.

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, douggg said:

No, here is what the bible says...

9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

No-one is attacking Jerusalem in Revelation 11.

You have the timing of the 7th angel sounding at the wrong time during the 7 years because you don't understand what Revelation 11:15 is saying.

Zechariah 14, when Jesus Returns to the Mt. of Olives, takes place at the end of the 7 years.    The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are in Revelation 12 as I have explained a few posts back.

 

False,those who attacked Jerusalem are the ones who killed the two witnesses. They are dead my friend .They were attacked in Jerusalem and overcome by their enemies.

And Jerusalem has been taken by the beast that ascended out of the abyss.

Same nations that celebrate in Jerusalem after the two witnesses are killed are the same nations that attacked Jerusalem and killed them.Same nations that have taken Jerusalem in zech 14.

² For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

³ Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

⁴ And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

The Lord shows up after the two witnesses have lay dead for three and a half days .Then he will stand on the Mt of olives.

[douggg]

Shilohsfoal,

The 7th angel's sounding announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be.

In Revelation 12:12 is the third woe - Satan cast down to earth with great wrath, having but short time left.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The short time is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[douggg]

14 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

False,those who attacked Jerusalem are the ones who killed the two witnesses. They are dead my friend .They were attacked in Jerusalem and overcome by their enemies.

No, it is not the nations who kill the two witnesses, but the beast-that ascends out of the bottomless pit, i.e possessed beast-king.

Zechariah 14, when Jesus Returns, is at the end of the 7 years.    The Revelation 11 events involving the two witnesses end mid-way through the 7 years.    

 

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

4 minutes ago, douggg said:

No, it is not the nations who kill the two witnesses, but the beast-that ascends out of the bottomless pit, i.e possessed beast-king.

Zechariah 14, when Jesus Returns, is at the end of the 7 years.    The Revelation 11 events involving the two witnesses end mid-way through the 7 years.    

 

 

So you believe the nations celebrating in Jerusalem are not with the beast that ascended out of the abyss and attacked Jerusalem?

Interesting.And you don't believe the nations in Jerusalem attacked Jerusalem when the word of God says they do.

 

² For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.