Question about fornication

[grahampaul]

37 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

Jesus also said this,

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

He that doeth the will of his Father, and this is the will of his Father here

1 Thes 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God

There will also be these sorts

2 Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Which might say otherwise, Paul says be not deceived by such

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cr 6:9

And again, when Jesus says

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Because many (not a few) would say unto him this

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These are they which in "Jesus name" are doing all these wonderful works while working iniquity

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And Paul tells those who name the name of Christ (as believers) to depart from working iniquity

2 Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people,  zealous of good works.

As Paul tells them here to reverse course

Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to  uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

1 Thes 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Without which no man shall see the Lord

 

 

 

 

 sure.bit like slinging a slab of steak at a man that needs a glass of milk,he needs reasurance that God loves him no mater the situation,

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

6 minutes ago, grahampaul said:

 

 

 

 

 sure.bit like slinging a slab of steak at a man that needs a glass of milk,he needs reasurance that God loves him no mater the situation,

 

Where was the pure milk of the word in your reply? I may have missed it.

He states he is a Christian, but wants to willingly continue in fornication. And I was committing fornication earlier on in my walk,  and what I needed was a believer in Jesus Christ to rebuke me and tell me to change my course, to repent. THAT was both love for me (and for God) in so doing. That was caring for my soul.

Prov 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

1 Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

 

 

 

 

[farouk]

2 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

Where was the pure milk of the word in your reply? I may have missed it.

He states he is a Christian, but wants to willingly continue in fornication. And I was committing fornication earlier on in my walk,  and what I needed was a believer in Jesus Christ to rebuke me and tell me to change my course, to repent. THAT was both love for me (and for God) in so doing. That was caring for my soul.

Prov 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

1 Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

 

 

 

 

Hi @AFlameOfFire I have long thought that prayer and Bible study are far more effective than condoms. Inwardly and spiritually, prayer and the Word lead us to desire the ways of Christ and His work at the Cross.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

22 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @AFlameOfFire I have long thought that prayer and Bible study are far more effective than condoms. Inwardly and spiritually, prayer and the Word lead us to desire the ways of Christ and His work at the Cross.

farouk, why on earth would you bring up condoms in the context of fornication?

In what possible way is prayer and bible study "more effective" than a condom?

Because a condom is typically used to prevent a pregnancy  and so when you say prayer and bible study are more effective than a condom, how do you mean that? That prayer and bible study are a great contraceptive?

Because a condom isn't going to protect you from the fornication you are engaging in either so I just had to ask the question in what way?

Amen to the cross of Christ and our desires

Gal 5:4 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Edited December 16, 2023 by AFlameOfFire

[farouk]

7 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

farouk, why on earth would you bring up condoms in the context of fornication?

In what possible way is prayer and bible study "more effective" than a condom?

Because a condom is typically used to prevent a pregnancy  and so when you say prayer and bible study are more effective than a condom, how do you mean that? That prayer and bible study are a great contraceptive?

Because a condom isn't going to protect you from the fornication you are engaging in either so I just had to ask the question in what way?

Amen to the cross of Christ and our desires

Gal 5:4 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

@AFlameOfFire In relation to the subject you mentioned, what I meant was that among young ppl the most effective form of bc is prayer and Bible study. Perhaps our minds were not exactly on the same track, but this is what was meant, simply.

[Deborah_]

53 minutes ago, farouk said:

@AFlameOfFire In relation to the subject you mentioned, what I meant was that among young ppl the most effective form of bc is prayer and Bible study. Perhaps our minds were not exactly on the same track, but this is what was meant, simply.

The most effective form of contraception (birth control) is an aspirin tablet... held tightly between the knees.

(old contraception clinic joke)

[Tristen]

On 12/15/2023 at 10:25 AM, Mochayum said:

Ok so I am fornicating and I’ll go to hell?

No one here is qualified to condemn you to "hell". The best we can do is contribute our knowledge to your understanding of Christian doctrine - enabling you to make an informed decision for yourself.

The bad news is that we all start life on a ledger that eventuates in eternal condemnation (a.k.a. "hell"). The good news is that God has provided a mechanism to transfer us off this ledger, and onto a ledger that saves us from eternal condemnation, into eternal life with God. And that mechanism is available to everyone.

If one sincerely surrenders ownership of their life to Christ (i.e. making Jesus their Lord/Master/Owner) as a faith response to this good news (Gospel), then they will escape eternal "hell".

The raised question (that only you can answer) is, 'Where do you currently stand in this process?'. I note that earlier in the conversation you claimed yourself to be a Christian. This raises two possibilities:

 

Option 1: Your faith's confession to make Jesus your Lord was sincere. 

We all come to God as flawed, corrupted, broken creatures - who need to be fixed. The moment we make Jesus our Lord, we are officially perfected. However, we still need to undergo the process of sanctification - whereby our wrong understandings, attitudes and behaviors are gradually corrected to reflect the influence of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

If this is you, then God is showing something that is wrong in your life that will eventually need to be corrected. You can waste time fighting it, or you can work with God to fix it. Remember that God always wants what is best for you. You can therefore trust God enough to pray that He would help you bring this aspect of your life into line with His will. 

This might mean God gives your partner a desire to marry. But it might also mean God removes this person from your life. Or maybe God will change your heart - and give you a desire to remove yourself from the relationship. God's will is God's business - our part is to just trust Him to do what is best for us.

 

Option 2: Your faith's confession to make Jesus your Lord was not sincere.

Your decision to make Jesus your Lord was emotional, and temporal (not a forever decision). At the time, you were happy to give Jesus most of your life, but ultimately, there are some aspects of your life that you are determined to keep for yourself - and nothing God, nor anyone else, has to say will impact your decision.

If this is you, then you have not yet transferred between the above-mentioned ledgers. That is a far more dire circumstance than that of resisting sanctification.

 

[other one]

On 12/14/2023 at 6:08 PM, Mochayum said:

That’s not my question. I’m asking if we are fornicating and if I need to stop. 

Yes, fornication is a sin and the Bible says very plainly that if a person continues to sin, there is no sacrifice for him/her.    So, if you continue to sin, I believe the Bible  says you will go to hell.

[other one]

On 12/14/2023 at 7:42 PM, Mochayum said:

Ok I mean a lot of people fornicate. I mean I guess I wonder if that verse states the law , so you know it’s a sin, but so long as you believe and ask for forgiveness you won’t go to hell?

Heb 10:26-31
 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,27  but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28  Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
ESV

 

[other one]

On 12/14/2023 at 8:22 PM, grahampaul said:

 

 no;

Heb 10:26-31
 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,27  but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28  Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
ESV