DANIEL’S 70th WEEK – (The Gap Theory)

[Montana Marv]

21 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You just trying to match up the 30 days and 45 days, via a wrong conclusion to start out wit my friend. The 70th week contains the Armageddon, and the fowls of the air are a part of Armageddon, we are those Fouls, its just prose showing those who trust God gain victory pf those who trust Satan's ways. We get the victory, but we do not eat anything, or kill anyone, Jesus does all of this by the PRESENCE of his coming.

You might be a FOUL ball, but it is the Birds of Prey which eat the flesh of men and horses.  It is a 30 day trek from a dry Euphrates river to the Valley of Megiddo..  A 200,000,000 man army from the East with horses occupies over 230 Sq Miles packed like sardines.  The Valley of Megiddo occupies approximately 180 Sq Miles, plus one must consider the vast armies from the North, South and West. All cannot achieve Armageddon at the same time.  One mile wide is 230 miles long.  5 Miles wide is 46 miles long (the army from the East).

I don't have a wrong conclusion.  Your conclusion is wrong.

BTW the 70th Week has two 42 month periods of time within it.  The A/D is setup Midweek,  From Midweek is when the extra 30 days and 45 day time periods are added and calculated from.

In Christ

Mpntana Marv

[Montana Marv]

On 1/7/2024 at 1:02 AM, NConly said:

Do you think there will be Horses in this war or do they represent something else?

Horses, the birds of Prey cannot eat metal objects.  Oil can be gone in 5 years.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

22 hours ago, douggg said:

Only if you interpret midweek as being midpoint.

1335 days to the the last day of the 70th week, is still midweek, but not mid point.

  

Yes, one must figure out what the midpoint of a 7 year period is, and calculate from there.  Half of 84 Months is at the 42st Month.  Once the army from the East begins to cross the Euphrates River, it will take at least 30 days to reach the Valley of Megiddo.  And then the tail end of this vast army is how many days behind the front.  Take a stab.  230 Sq Miles of densely pact army.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Yes, one must figure out what the midpoint of a 7 year period is, and calculate from there.  Half of 84 Months is at the 42st Month.  Once the army from the East begins to cross the Euphrates River, it will take at least 30 days to reach the Valley of Megiddo.  And then the tail end of this vast army is how many days behind the front.  Take a stab.  230 Sq Miles of densely pact army.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Well, I would say the mid-point is day 1260.     day 1185 (2520-1335) is mid-week, but not the midpoint.

From when the abomination of desolation is setup, 1335 days later is the day that Jesus returns.

From when the abomination of desolation is setup, 1290 days later is when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.        Which puts the kings of the earth into a panic mode that they spend 45 days assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war of Jesus.

AoD........1290 days......sign of the Son of Man in heaven...........45 days........Jesus descends to earth.

 

Edited January 8 by douggg

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

You might be a FOUL ball, but it is the Birds of Prey which eat the flesh of men and horses.  It is a 30 day trek from a dry Euphrates river to the Valley of Megiddo..  A 200,000,000 man army from the East with horses occupies over 230 Sq Miles packed like sardines.  The Valley of Megiddo occupies approximately 180 Sq Miles, plus one must consider the vast armies from the North, South and West. All cannot achieve Armageddon at the same time.  One mile wide is 230 miles long.  5 Miles wide is 46 miles long (the army from the East).

Marv, if you are talking about the army in Revelation 9, that army kills a third of mankind.  I agree it is the armies coming from the east, primarily the Chinese army.

But you are leaving out a few steps.    In Daniel 11:40-44 the beast-king (king of the west) is being attacked by the south, then north, then east.      The 200,000,000 size army will kill a third of mankind, mainly in the Pakistan, India region because those nations will be allied with the king of the west, apparently.

Those battles are not themselves Armageddon (which Armageddon is to make war on Jesus) - but a prelude to get all of the nations and their armies into the middle east area.

While they are battling - that's when the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven, sickle in hand.     That will panic all of kings of the earth, and they will stop fighting each other and will band together for Armageddon.

Although Armageddon is the chief gathering place, from what it says in Revelation 14:20, the destruction of those armies is 1600 furlongs (a furlong is 1/8 of a mile - so 200 miles), the north to south length of Israel.

Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

Well, I would say the mid-point is day 1260.     day 1185 (2520-1335) is mid-week, but not the midpoint.

From when the abomination of desolation is setup, 1335 days later is the day that Jesus returns.

From when the abomination of desolation is setup, 1290 days later is when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.        Which puts the kings of the earth into a panic mode that they spend 45 days assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war of Jesus.

AoD........1290 days......sign of the Son of Man in heaven...........45 days........Jesus descends to earth.

 

Doug now do you see the timing.  When the sign of the Son of Man shows, this is the onset of Armageddon, 30 days long. Followed by a 45 day period which is the birds of prey eating the flesh of men and horses,  followed by the 2nd Coming. A full 70th Week followed by a 30 and 45 day period. 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Doug now do you see the timing.  When the sign of the Son of Man shows, this is the onset of Armageddon, 30 days long. Followed by a 45 day period which is the birds of prey eating the flesh of men and horses,  followed by the 2nd Coming. A full 70th Week followed by a 30 and 45 day period. 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

Marv, the day that Jesus returns fulfills the 70th week.    There is no timeframe given for how long the birds gorge themselves on the remains of the flesh of the armies.

Jesus descends from heaven in Revelation 19, and Zechariah 14.  First, He stands on the Mt. of Olives splitting in half making a valley for the hostages of Zechariah 14 held just outside of Jerusalem to escape through.

Then, He turns the abomination of desolation statue image, in dwelth by Satan, into flames, and ashes, exposing Satan for everyone to see him physically.   That's in Ezekiel 28:16-19.

Then, He casts the beast-king and the false prophet into the lake of fire.   Revelation 19:20.

Then, Jesus destroys the armies surrounding Jerusalem.   Revelation 19:21.   The rest of the armies beyond Jerusalem, but packed into the length of Israel, are then destroyed by angel in Revelation 14:17-20  (most people are not aware of that information - please go read it.)

Then, an angel binds Satan in chains and Satan is cast into the bottomless pit prison.

Then the birds swarm and begin their feast on the flesh of the dead of the armies.   The bible does not say how long.

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The importance of the 1335 days is them who remain faithful to Jesus (the great tribulation saints) will be blessed to make it to the day of Jesus's return.

There are no extensions, nor extra days.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8 by douggg

[Spock]

In response to the OP’s timeline on his 1st post, I can give you two things I clearly believe are certain:

1. A gap between week 69 and 70…(the church age)

2. The rapture is not post trib…..(pre or mid, but no to postie)

okay, what’s next? 

[WilliamL]

55 minutes ago, Spock said:

In response to the OP’s timeline on his 1st post, I can give you two things I clearly believe are certain:

1. A gap between week 69 and 70…(the church age)

2. The rapture is not post trib…..(pre or mid, but no to postie)

okay, what’s next? 

Believing this is one thing, making a biblically-convincing case for that belief is quite another. Care to try?

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Spock said:

In response to the OP’s timeline on his 1st post, I can give you two things I clearly believe are certain:

1. A gap between week 69 and 70…(the church age)

2. The rapture is not post trib…..(pre or mid, but no to postie)

okay, what’s next? 

I believe that most people agree with this interpretation, however, I am confused when I look at the verses in 9:24-27. 
 

First, the 70 weeks of years prophecy is concerned with the restoration of “His people and the city” after they were taken into captivity by the Babylonians. 
 

The start of the prophecy began in 457 BC and would conclude 490 years later in 33/34 AD. 
 

1) there were 3 separate section carved out of the 70 weeks. 
 a) the first 7 weeks (49 literal years) we’re determined to represent the period of time it would take for the restoration of the Temple, the Sabbatical cycles, the walls and the streets, etc. These restorations were the responsibility of the Jews to fulfill. 
 

b) Daniel does not offer any elements that would be restored during the next 69 weeks (434 literal years). 
 

c) Daniel does record the arrival of the Messiah in the 3rd section or the final 1 week (final 7 literal years of the 490 year prophecy). He gives the arrival and crucifixion in two separate verses. 
 
  a) in the “restorative” verse, he tells us the Messiah will arrive after 7 and 62 weeks (69 total weeks or 483 literal years). This is found in 9:25. It is a “restorative” verses because Jesus represents the return of the Presence of God back into the Temple. Only the Messiah could fulfill this last piece of furniture in the Sanctuary. The Ark of the Covenant was the first piece of furniture taken away before the Babylonians came to Jerusalem and it would be the last piece of furniture restored in the form of the Messiah. 
        1) Consequently, AFTER the end of the 69th week, the Messiah would arrive on the first day of the beginning of the 70th week (day 1 He was baptized and anointed in the Jordan to begin His ministry). Meaning, the last week of the 70 weeks were “set aside” for those elements in the “restoration” period that could only be fulfilled by Jesus.

  b) but we have a second verse in 9:26. This verse begins the first of the two “destructive” verses within these 4 prophetic verses (9:24-27). Here, Daniel is then telling us the Messiah will be “cut off” (crucified), “after the 62 weeks are completed.” Meaning, that after this prophetic period has come to an end (only the last week remains), the Messiah will be killed. 
    1) the exact time the Messiah will be crucified is found in the last “destructive” verse - 9:27. Daniel tells us He will be crucified “in the midst of the week.” Meaning, exactly 3.5 years into the last week (7 years) of the prophecy. And of course, we all can agree He was killed exactly 3.5 years into His ministry. 

Chapter 9 prophecies the full restoration of His people, the city, the Temple and all of the Levitical ceremonies, 7 feast days, etc., that MUST be completed BEFORE the arrival of their expected Messiah. Jesus represents the return of the last article to he restored as it was prior to the complete destruction by the Babylonians. 

But God would also incorporate WITHIN this 70 weeks of years prophecy those 6 elements (9:24) that His Messiah was given to complete / fulfill DURING His ministry (last week). And He did fulfill all of them. It is DURING this last week the Messiah would be crucified and be our Passover Lamb and offer Himself for the payment for our sins. After the Cross, the Temple, the Levitical ceremonies, the sacrifices, etc., were now be made unnecessary. Their mission in God’s plan of salvation was fulfilled. 
 

It is so important to recognize chapter 9 is speaking of the Messiah’s sacrifice and the ONLY way we can be saved. 
 

The most important period of the 70 weeks of years prophecy is in the final 7 years or the last week when the Messiah arrives on earth. 
 

Please note that the gap theory, and the false teachings that “He” at the beginning of 9:27 is some figure to be identified as the “anti/ Christ” figure rather than “He” (Messiah) was only constructed in the 16th century AD by the Jesuits (little horn or the papacy). They also corrupted these interpretations by claiming the “covenant” which was “confirmed” by the Messiah was also thrown some 2000 years into the future and the same mythical anti-Christ figure would enter in a 7 year agreement with the Jews. 
 

This has all taken away the most selfless act known in the history of mankind and attributed these Messianic prophecies to some mythical figure that has no basis. But this “little horn,” (papacy), the one that is clearly described in Daniel 7 is the one who speaks against God Himself, His people, His saints, etc. He is the same one who claims to be equal to God, infallible, forgive sins, etc. 

All of the verses speak of the restoration of His people, His city, the Temple, etc., and the arrival and destruction of their Messiah. It is seamless story of the most important time in the history of mankind.