Suicidal cowards?

[CaptWalker]

I would agree with most everything said regarding suicide whether it involves a Vet or just someone from any walk of life. I would however point out that even those who are physically disabled may very well be suffering from mental illness as well. 

And as far as homeless Vets go, they may never actually ask for help but if they are broke and hungry I would bet they show up at food banks or for other social services. Ive even seen a few in full fatigues with signs saying "need help" or something along those lines. But of course it could just be someone impersonating one. So if one ever asks me for a handout I guess I should probably just assume they are not a real Vet and ignore them, or I could just ask why they have forgotten there "training"...?

Edited July 4, 2024 by CaptWalker

[CaptWalker]

One more thing, why is there no scripture that condemns killing oneself??;That alone tells me that the individual does not go straight to hell, but it's up to God to judge their actions and whether or not they were truly sorry for what they had done at the moment they had done it.

Of course whether they believed in Christ as Savior plays a MAJOR role in that!

Edited July 4, 2024 by CaptWalker

[Jayne]

50 minutes ago, CaptWalker said:

One more thing, why is there no scripture that condemns killing oneself??;That alone tells me that the individual does not go straight to hell, but it's up to God to judge their actions and whether or not they were truly sorry for what they had done at the moment they had done it.

Of course whether they believed in Christ as Savior plays a MAJOR role in that!

Whether they believe in Christ plays a major role?

It's the ONLY thing that counts before a holy God!!

[CaptWalker]

You're right, I should have also said whether they had a strong belief/faith... but then why would they have committed suicide if that were true is the real question, or how would that even be possible?

But I believe that a "momentary lapse of reason" is a real condition associated with a mental illness that could cause someone to do something very horrible on the spur of the moment. Whether this could happen to a true Christian is just something we can't say beyond any doubt.

All I know is that many believers suffer from all kinds of mental issues. Another forum I used to participate in had several sub categories dealing with all these conditions of which there were MANY discussions about things people were currently dealing with and I was actually shocked that it was that bad. But how God will judge such people is just something I don't even try to presume since it's just none of my business, and will leave it at that.

Edited July 5, 2024 by CaptWalker

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, CaptWalker said:

You're right, I should have also said whether they had a strong belief/faith... but then why would they have committed suicide if that were true is the real question, or how would that even be possible?

But I believe that a "momentary lapse of reason" is a real condition associated with a mental illness that could cause someone to do something very horrible on the spur of the moment. Whether this could happen to a true Christian is just something we can't say beyond any doubt.

All I know is that many believers suffer from all kinds of mental issues. Another forum I used to participate in had several sub categories dealing with all these conditions of which there were MANY discussions about things people were currently dealing with and I was actually shocked that it was that bad. But how God will judge such people is just something I don't even try to presume since it's just none of my business, and will leave it at that.

I've been at the point of suicide twice and God took it away from me.

I'm a diehard and devout Christian,  yet I wanted more than anything to die.

Once was severe depression and once of a combo of a new medication for epilepsy and depression.  I had the gun and I had the plan.  God stopped me.

I still have depression and anxiety, but suicide is no longer on my radar.

Yes, Christians can endure this.  And sadly,  some Christians do go through with it.

 

[enoob57]

I would council anyone this way... is it your life or His? As this also is the bottom line of salvation... is it not?

1 Corinthians 6:20 (KJV)

[20] For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[ladypeartree]

Sadly most who DO kill themselves do so quietly without talking about it. Those that talk about it usually dont really want to do it and are just screaming for help and only kill themselves if they dont get that help and then normally in a not so quiet way 

Praying for all those who are feeling so lost and unheard that they even think this is the only thing left that they can control   May God comfort and support them and send His people to give succour 

[Marathoner]

5 hours ago, ladypeartree said:

Sadly most who DO kill themselves do so quietly without talking about it. Those that talk about it usually dont really want to do it and are just screaming for help and only kill themselves if they dont get that help and then normally in a not so quiet way 

Praying for all those who are feeling so lost and unheard that they even think this is the only thing left that they can control   May God comfort and support them and send His people to give succour 

Very true, dear sister. Over the years from one attempt to the next, I never said a word to anyone else. Like our sister @Jayne, there came a time when I no longer considered doing that. By that point, I knew the Lord. 

When I cried out to the Lord that all I wanted was to die, what did He say?

That is not for you. 

He never permitted it, though that's not for lack of trying on my part. I don't have an accurate count of how many times I attempted it, though my first attempt was at the age of 11. The Lord was never wrathful with me, for He knew what no else did: why I was afflicted in such a way. 

From dreading another day in this world to resting in His Spirit, I can testify that all things are possible in Christ.

Edited July 5, 2024 by Marathoner

[Marathoner]

11 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

But how God will judge such people is just something I don't even try to presume since it's just none of my business, and will leave it at that.

I agree. We simply don't know. 

[Marathoner]

On 7/2/2024 at 8:20 PM, CaptWalker said:

So if one ever asks me for a handout I guess I should probably just assume they are not a real Vet and ignore them, or I could just ask why they have forgotten there "training"...?

Just like the topic of the prevalence of suicide among the veteran population in the United States, this one does not have a simple answer. As for that training I referenced? Here's how I will sum it up for you:

Suck it up. Focus on the mission. Are you dead yet? No? Then shut up and get it done. Keep your moaning and whining to yourself.

That, in a nutshell, was drilled into our skulls starting in the initial training phase of service (Basic Training, Boot Camp, etc.). Something about us must be broken in order to successfully adapt to the military lifestyle.