Who will believe this?

[Keras]

       Isaiah 42:9 The earlier prophecies have come to pass, now I declare new things:

Isaiah 42:10-12 Sing a new song to the Lord, sing His praises throughout the world, you that sail the seas and you that inhabit the coasts and islands.  Let the wilderness settlements rejoice in Kedar and Sela. 

Isaiah 42:13-15 Long have I restrained Myself and kept silence, but now I cry out like a woman in labour. Now I shall lay waste to the hills and dry up the watercourses. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, He will raise the battle cry and triumph over His enemies.

 

Isaiah 42:16-24 You that are deaf, hear now, look you blind and see! Who is as blind as the one who has My trust, so deaf as the servant of the Lord?  You have seen much but perceived little, your ears are open, but you hear nothing. I shall lead the blind along paths they do not know, making smooth the way,  but those who trust in idols will be turned back in shame. It pleased the Lord to further His justice, to make His Law great. Yet, here is a people taken as spoil and plundered, all hidden away with no hope of rescue. Who will pay heed to this? Who was it that handed Israel over? Who gave up Israel for spoil? It was the Lord, against whom they sinned for they refused obedience to His Laws.

Isaiah 42 :25 So, onto Jacob He poured His wrath. The flames of God’s wrath burned him, yet still they did not take it to heart.

Isaiah 43:1-2 But now, Jacob, this is the word of the Lord, of Him who created you: When you pass through waters, I will be with you. When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched.

Isaiah 43:3-4 I am the Holy One of Israel, your Deliverer. Because I love you, I will give other peoples as ransom for your life.

Isaiah 43:5-7 Have no fear, for I am with you. I shall bring your descendants from the East and West. From the North and South and the ends of the earth, everyone who bears My name, all who I have made for My glory.

Isaiah 43:8 Lead out those who are blind – a people who have eyes, but cannot see, who have ears, but cannot hear.

 Isaiah 43:9 The nations are gathered. Which of them foretold former things? Or can interpret this for us? Let them prove their case, so we can see if it is true.

Isaiah 43:10-13 You are My witnesses, says the Lord. You are My servants, chosen by Me, so that you may understand that I am God alone. I am the Lord and I alone am your Deliverer.  What I do, no one can undo.      Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged

 

42:10-12 All those who love the Lord, throughout the world – get ready to praise Him for their deliverance.

42:13-15 The Lord has restrained Himself, but soon He will act in the world.  Psalms 50:1-6

42:16-17 His People, righteous Christians, the Israelites of God, will be led into the Promised Land. Anyone who revolts and rebels cannot enter. Ezekiel 20:37-38

42:18-20 & 43:8 The Lord’s servants are unable to understand prophecy or foresee His plans for them. Jeremiah 4:22, Jeremiah 6:10 That is how God wants it.

42:22-25 His people, the faithful Christians, are scattered among the nations by the Lord, as punishment for the sins of their spiritual forefathers  2 Kings 23:27, Galatians 3:26-29

43:1-7 But now, when the Lord sends His vengeance and fiery wrath, the Lord will protect His faithful people. . They will be gathered into the Promised Land.  Zechariah 10:8-10, Isaiah 35,, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26 The unbelievers of Israel, will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38

43:9-13 The other nations are ignorant of the Lord’s plans. The faithful Christians are His witnesses and servants chosen by Him, so they will know God and spread the Gospel of the soon to come, Kingdom of Jesus.   Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10                                                                                 

 

[Keras]

Proverbs 1:20-27 Wisdom cries aloud in the open places, in the streets, she says: How long will you fools be content with your simplicity? If only you would respond to my reproof, I would fill you with My spirit and make My precepts known to you. But because you refuse My call, reject My advice and will have none of My admonition, then, I in turn will laugh at your doom and deride you, when terror comes like a hurricane and your doom approaches like a whirlwind and anguish and distress come upon you.

Proverbs 10:24-30 What the wicked dread will overtake them, what the righteous desire will be granted. When the whirlwind sweeps past, the wicked will be gone, but the righteous will be established forever. The fear of the Lord gives a person length of days, but the years of the godless are cut short. The Lord is a refuge for the blameless, but He brings destruction onto the evildoers.

            The righteous will never be shaken, the wicked will not remain in the Land.

Proverbs 12:12-13 The strongholds of the wicked crumble like clay, they are caught by their own offensive talk and actions. The righteous come safely through the troubles ahead.

Proverbs 16:2-6 A person’s ways may seem right to him, but the Lord weighs up his motives. Commit to the Lord all that you do and your plans will be successful. The Lord works out everything for His own ends, so He has made the wicked for a Day of disaster. One and all, the proud are an abomination to the Lord, be sure of this: they will not go unpunished.

   Through love and faithfulness, sin is atoned for, through the fear of the Lord:  a person avoids evil.

Proverbs 8:4-21 It is to you that I call, to all mankind I appeal. You who are uninstructed: gain knowledge, you who are complacent and imprudent – gain understanding.

Listen, for I shall speak clearly, I say nothing but the truth, all that I say is right. It is straightforward to those with understanding, it is plain to those with knowledge. Choose My instruction rather that silver, My knowledge is better than pure gold. To fear the Lord is to hate evil, to hate pride, arrogance, cruelty, subversive talk and sinful actions. I am Wisdom, from Me comes sound advice and knowledge I love those who love Me and those who search for Me will find Me. In My hands are wealth and prosperity, I shall fill the treasuries of those who love Me.

Proverbs 8:22-31 The Lord appointed Me from the beginning, long ago before all else was made. When He set the heavens in place, gave the seas their boundaries and fixed the earth’s foundations, then I was by His side rejoicing in His presence. I got pleasure over the whole world and My delight was in mankind.

                                                                               Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

It seems obvious that the Wisdom described in Proverbs, is Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:15 Christ is the image of the invisible God, for by Him everything was created.  

His instructions are as given to us by His prophets and personally in the New Testament. We are told in many passages to ‘fear the Lord’, that is: hate evil, pride, arrogance, cruelty, subversive talk and sinful actions. Not really impossible for us, is it?                                                                         

[Keras]

Delusions:

Isaiah 66:4  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, no one answered; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before My eyes, and chose what displeased Me.  Ezekiel 20:25

The prevalent error is in thinking that the Israel visible today is still the chosen of God. Wrong; they un-chose themselves, Matthew 27:25 and now it is every born again Christian, who belongs to the new nation of God's people. Matthew 21:43

With the rapture cult, the initial error is that of separating Israel and the Church, so they could still look for salvation to come to ethnic Israel, as a major tenet of their doctrine: Israel on earth, the Church in heaven.   The pre-Trib rapture teaches removal to ensure survival from tribulation, but salvation has always been stated to redeem us from our fallen sinful state, in our earthly situation.   

 Acts 20:21 I know that when I am gone, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 2 Peter 2:1-3, 2 Timothy 4:3-4

The rapture idea is that God will “save us” from that which must occur – thus equating  this supposed removal with salvation. After so many Christians saw the inadequacy and misappropriation of the verses used to promote Pre-Trib, the Post-Trib alternative was then built around surviving the tribulation – thus sustaining the illusion that survival is somehow related to salvation.

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament:    2 Thessalonians 2:11  And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2^nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience  His glorious salvation when we enter in to the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross.   Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come.  Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10  Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!

 

 

 

[luigi]

On 2/2/2024 at 11:27 PM, Keras said:

Thanks.   Yes, it has been sad that many have 'jumped the gun' and predicted an end times event, only to be embarrassed and made a laughing stock. 

However, Jesus said; we should know the season of when it will all happen. But like the Jews when Jesus came; they had the information and failed to understand it and this time will be no different. 

Daniel 12:10b.....a few wise leaders will understand. So it is possible for those who put aside mans teachings and rely solely on what all the Prophets have told us. 

 

Metaphors Keras,

Yes, the mountains shall be molten, when the Lord cometh out of his place, and comes down to tread upon the high places of the earth (Micah 1:3-4). BUT--Mountains in the bible more often than not, are a metaphor for large powerful nations. As such, the high places of the earth the Lord will tread upon are the powerful large nations (unjust policies) that are becoming increasingly unjust. The mountains (large powerful nations), unjust policies shall thereby melt (fall apart) when the Lord commences His treading upon the high places of the earth. This time is also referred to as The Day of the Lord, and is more than a 24 hour period (another metaphor for day). In addition to the mountains (large nations) upon whose unjust ways the Lord shall tread upon, so too shall the Lord shall contend with the hills (small nations), and all proud nations during the day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12-14).

Micah 1:3 For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:13  And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, 14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,

[Keras]

HELLUCINATIONS

An hallucination is: to see something that isn’t there and if what is perceived contradicts scripture, then it is from the depths of hell.

People who believe that God will rapture them to heaven sometime from now - to when Jesus Returns say, that a rapture - removal of the Church - is prophesied.  But the reality is that it isn’t.  Nowhere in the Bible is such a thing said to happen. Even 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, does not mention heaven.

Rapture believers say: We are not appointed to wrath, and, The Lord delivers us from tribulation. To make these scriptures mean a removal from planet earth, directly to God’s dwelling place of heaven, is an impossible stretch of the imagination.

What people seem unable to comprehend is how the Lord will facilitate the travel to, the gathering and the settling of His faithful Christian peoples, into all of the Holy Land.

Many Prophesies show this is God’s Plan for all the people who prove their trust in Him and who: Call upon His name, for His protection, through all that must happen.  

 

 

 

[Progressive Truth]

On 1/24/2024 at 5:19 PM, Keras said:

The worldwide Day of vengeance of our God’, is the next prophesied event, still not yet happened. It will be the Sixth Seal; a worldwide disaster of similar magnitude as what happened in the days of Noah,

As I understand the sixth seal it is describing the actual return of Christ.  As you understand it, 8 billion people or more would be utterly caught off guard and most unaware of the everlasting gospel which must go out to the entire world. Too, how does the forth seal, the seven trumpet judgements, the three angles messages, of (Rev. 14:6-13) and the seven last plagues align with you statement?

In Noah's day, he preached of the coming flood for 120 years, and people had plenty of time to make up their minds to enter the ark or not. I believe it is written, "as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of our the Son of man/Lord " It's not in God's character to sneak up on us.

[Keras]

9 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

It's not in God's character to sneak up on us.

There are many Prophesies which tell us about a Day that will come unexpectedly, a Day that we do not know when it will hit us. 

Shock and Awe: the Lord’s Day of Wrath

How bad will the Lord’s response to the attack of Psalm 83 be?

When the sun explodes out a massive CME…. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3

When the Arm of the Lord descends in anger…..Isaiah 30:30, Zephaniah 3:8

When He flashes lightning and fiery coals onto the earth. Deut. 32:22, Psalm 18:13-14

When the Day comes, burning like a furnace. Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7

Most people have no conception of the worldwide devastation that will be caused by the hit upon the earth by the Lord’s fiery Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 29:6 What is prophesied will be so shocking, so terrifying, that it is impossible for us to really comprehend and only when it happens, will we realise the full extent of the damage done to the world and our modern infrastructure.

There has never been a comparable natural disaster in recorded history. The nearest to it may be the continuous winters of 1883-87, caused by the ash clouds from Krakatoa, or some recent tsunamis. Only Noah’s flood really compares, but fortunately this time we have God’s promise to never again destroy man and animals so extensively. Genesis 9:16 Many people will die, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 34:3, but most will survive.

As the survivors come out from under whatever shelter they have found, Isaiah 2:20-21, Revelation 6:15, there will be little, if any light for weeks or months. Amos 5:20, Zephaniah 1:15 Most buildings will be destroyed by earthquake and fire, Isaiah 24:18, Zephaniah 3:8 and huge tsunamis will wipe out all coastal cities and towns. Jeremiah 51:42, Amos 9:6

Normal mains electricity supply will not be restored for years. Only small generators will be able to supply power and these will soon run out of fuel, as will all motor transport. Line telephone systems and radio communication may be set up fairly quickly, but mobile phones and internet may never be re-established.

The world will slowly recover and in order to regain control and normal services, a 10 region One World Government will be organised. Daniel 7:23-24 However, those who have maintained their faith and trust in the Creator God during this time of testing have the promises of His redemption and their gathering into all of the Holy Land. Deuteronomy 30:3, Isaiah 35, Psalms 107, Zechariah 10:8, Hosea 11:10-11, Ezekiel 11:17, Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 49:8-23, Jeremiah 23:3-4, Psalms 69:35-36, Colossians 1:11-12, Revelation 7:9-14     Ref; logostelos.info

 

 

[Progressive Truth]

On 8/14/2024 at 12:36 AM, Keras said:

There are many Prophesies which tell us about a Day that will come unexpectedly, a Day that we do not know when it will hit us. 

Keras, Your statement above is refuting my earlier post in which I state that, "God does not sneak up on us." You go on to prove your point by citing many texts, following the above quote. 

However, I believe you are mistaken in your understanding of the above. Let's take for example the flood in Noah's day. Noah preached of its coming for 120 years. However, the people thought he was a nut case, since rain had never fallen from heaven. Therefore, they believed it would never happen, thus they never prepared for it. Thus when it did happen it was unexpected. 

In the same post you state. "Most people have no conception of the worldwide devastation that will be caused by the hit upon the earth by the Lord’s fiery Day of vengeance and wrath." I agree with your statement. And for most it will be unexpected, because they  have no understanding of Biblical teachings. But for one too believe that the Lord does not revealed before hand of His forthcoming actions is a misunderstanding of the love and mercy of God, because (Amos 3:7) informs us, "surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secrets unto His servants the prophets." 

So I would encourage you to reconsider your understanding on this issue, because what one believes is a flection on Gods character, and if it doesn't show case His love and mercy, it has to be wrong. 

Would like to mention another issue with regard to your understanding of closing events. In this thread you reference mostly old testament prophecy. Do you not understand those prophecies were for Israel only?  Too, some of those prophecies had to do with the destroyer nations that God used to bring His Judgement against Israel.

I believe as you that the wrath of God is coming upon the world. However, my belief is found in the prophecies of Dan., and Rev., these prophecies are apocalyptic, meaning world wide, not local.  God's apocalyptic wrath is very clearly laid out in the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgements. Why do you not use them? 

I had asked the following questions which you failed to give an answer,  "How does the forth seal, the seven trumpet judgements, the three angles messages, of (Rev. 14:6-13) and the seven last plagues align with you understanding ?" 

Would still appreciate an answer, since they are clearly mentioned. One can't have a clear understanding of closing events until they are apart of the big picture.  Right. 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. M]

On 8/13/2024 at 9:36 PM, Keras said:

There are many Prophesies which tell us about a Day that will come unexpectedly, a Day that we do not know when it will hit us. 

1 Thessalonians 5:

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren,

you have no need that I should write to you. 

2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the

day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 

3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then 

sudden destruction comes upon them, 

as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day

should overtake you as a thief. 

5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day.

We are not of the night nor of darkness. 

There is no fear or desire for the Day of the Lord

with the servants of the Lord.

Amos 5:

8 Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
For what good is the day of the Lord to you?
It will be darkness, and not light.
19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion,
And a bear met him!
Or as though he went into the house,
Leaned his hand on the wall,
And a serpent bit him!
20 Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light?
Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?

Remain on earth, remain in Light

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine;
For your light has come!
And the glory of the Lord is risen upon you.
2 For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,
And deep darkness the people;
But the Lord will arise over you,
And His glory will be seen upon you.
3 The Nations shall come to your light,
And kings to the brightness of your rising.

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

I would encourage you to reconsider your understanding on this issue, because what one believes is a flection on Gods character, and if it doesn't show case His love and mercy, it has to be wrong. 

We have had plenty of warning about what must happen. It is throughout the Bible and even secular people warn about dramatic changes ahead. But: We do not know the day that the Lord will arise and destroy His enemies; mainly in the holy Land region. 

For those who -Call upon His Name, He will save them in love and mercy. 

3 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

"How does the forth seal, the seven trumpet judgements, the three angles messages, of (Rev. 14:6-13) and the seven last plagues align with you understanding ?" 

The seals 1 to 5, are open now and their effects have been worldwide since Jesus' Ascension. 

Those Messages, actually proclaimed by the 144,000, Isaiah 66:19, and the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, will occur during the final 3 1/2 years of this age. 

3 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

Do you not understand those prophecies were for Israel only?

Do you not understand that we Christians are the Israelites of God?  Galatians 6:14-16   And we inherit the Promises of God to His faithful peoples. Ephesians 1:11-14, Romans 9:24-26 says we Christians are seen in the holy Land. 

3 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

God's apocalyptic wrath is very clearly laid out in the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgements. Why do you not use them? 

Clearly, those examples of Gods wrath are directed against the ungodly peoples. Revelation 14:9-11  We Christians must endure thru it all and remain faithful to Jesus. Rev 14:12

 

Edited August 15, 2024 by Keras