Who will believe this?

[Progressive Truth]

23 hours ago, Keras said:

The seals 1 to 5, are open now and their effects have been worldwide since Jesus' Ascension. 

 

  Chronology within apocalyptic prophecy does not supports your claim that the seals opened at Christ ascension. So I must ask how you arrived at the above conclusion? 

[Keras]

On 8/17/2024 at 9:24 AM, Progressive Truth said:

  Chronology within apocalyptic prophecy does not supports your claim that the seals opened at Christ ascension. So I must ask how you arrived at the above conclusion? 

The simple facts of past history; the terrible wars, the shocking famines, the disastrous plagues and the devastating economic disasters, we have experienced since the first Century.  

Also the Prophecy in Zechariah 1:8-11 and 6:1-8, shows those four world trials were extant in ancient times. But the proof that the first Five Seals were open by AD 30, is the Christian martyrs of the Fifth Seal, from Stephen to now. 

[Progressive Truth]

14 hours ago, Keras said:

The simple facts of past history; the terrible wars, the shocking famines, the disastrous plagues and the devastating economic disasters, we have experienced since the first Century.  

Also the Prophecy in Zechariah 1:8-11 and 6:1-8, shows those four world trials were extant in ancient times. But the proof that the first Five Seals were open by AD 30, is the Christian martyrs of the Fifth Seal, from Stephen to now. 

On 8/16/2024 at 6:34 PM, Michael37 said:

Keras, appreciate your response. Let me first express that I chose to question your understanding on the opening of the seven seals, not in any way to prove you wrong and me right. But rather that we as students of prophecy need to recognize that God the author of apocalyptic prophecy has natural laws built into them, so that the intended interpretation of them is the result of following those natural laws, overriding our personal bias, and presuppositions. 

I went through this learning process years ago, contrary to the teachings of my faith. I completely understand it is not an easy bridge to cross, but the building of my faith during that period is priceless.  

Here is a question you need too ask yourself.  What is more important to you, to defend your present position on the seals, or to except the more sure word of prophecy, as it relates to the opening of the seals? 

I will assume it is upholding apocalyptic prophecy. That is the road I chose to follow years ago, and is why I will use it, along with historical facts to support the following insights I wish to pass on to you. 

Certainly Christ predicted wars, famine, pestilence, and earthquakes would be with us until the end. Since Christ time these have surely been experienced, but not globally, but rather locally. The seals, trumpets, and bowl judgements are global, they are apocalyptic, world wide, for they must get the attention of all of mankind. Otherwise, those unaffected would be unaware of God’s efforts to save fallen man. 

By your statement above you believe the fifth seal has opened. In my earlier post I disagreed with your statement that the seals opened at Christ accession, according to chronology within apocalyptic prophecy. 

Util recently expositors of apocalyptic prophecy did not recognize that chronology is a natural law that God used when He have us the events listed within each prophecy. This law can be verified in all fulfilled apocalyptic prophecy to this day.  Since God knows the beginning from the end we need to trust He has given us the correct order of events to come. Most students of prophecy are unaware of the importance of chronology and except fulfillments, while the specifications laid out are ignored.  

It is based on this “natural Law”, that your assumption of the opening of the seals is incorrect. This will take humility, prayer, and time for you to process, for your faith will surely be tested. The devil will surely use your pride to keep you on your present course. So please consider the following:

The Six Seals Revelation 4:1-6:17

Beginning point in time: 1798 

Ending point in time: Second Coming 

Each apocalyptic prophecy has a starting point in time,  six of the seven seals  are found in a prophecy starting in (Rev. 4:1-6:17). The starting point of this prophecy is not within these texts. The starting point is determined by linking Daniel 7:9-14 with Revelation 4 and 5. Let me explain. Daniel was zoomed forward in Daniel 7 to see the Father, the Ancient of Days, convene a special meeting in 1798. John was also zoomed forward to 1798 to observe the same meeting, but from a different perspective. Both prophets saw the exaltation of Jesus. 

 John was taken “in the spirit” to visit Heaven’s temple. An important item he saw in the Father’s right hand was a book sealed with seven seals. John saw the Father search for someone who was worthy to take the book and break the seven seals. Eventually, Jesus was found worthy to receive the book and He began the process of breaking the seals.

 The Father wrote The Book of Life to resolve a contradictory problem before a contradictory problem even existed! The Father foreknew that a day would come when His children would question His integrity and He knew the best way to resolve this coming problem was to create a “time capsule.” The Father wrote The Book of Life to prove to the universe, at an appointed time, that His foreknowledge has no effect on His actions. Even though the Father knows the outcome of all things before they occur, He does not use this foreknowledge to control future events. God knew that people would claim that God uses His foreknowledge to direct the outcome of future events. This problem explains why He wrote the book and why certain angels have been recording life ever since life began. At the end of the 1,000 years in Revelation 20, the recordings of life made by angels in real time will be compared with the contents of The Book of Life. 

When the seventh seal is broken, the Father will demonstrate that His “time capsule” is identical with the recordings made by angels. This will prove to the universe that He perfectly foreknew that sin would occur, as well as who would be saved and who would be condemned long before they were born, and even though He perfectly foreknew the end from the beginning for every angel and person, He loved each one the same. He did not predetermine who would be saved and who would be lost. The Father will prove that He treated each angel and person as though they would live eternally. The Father wants to prove that His love for His children is not affected by His foreknowledge. This is a huge concept to process and we will see this amazing concept unfold in our study on Revelation.

When the Father wrote The Book of Life, He planned that as each seal is broken, there would be a new revelation about Jesus. Therefore, at the appointed time, seven new revelations will be made about Jesus. When the seventh seal is broken at the end of the 1,000 years, both Jesus and the contents of His book will be completely exposed! 

Three important goals will be accomplished when the seventh seal is broken open. First, it will reveal that Jesus is a separate and distinct God, a co-eternal equal of the Father. The Father wants the universe to know that Jesus has the same powers, prerogatives, and substance as Himself. Second, the Father will prove to the universe that He will not, under any circumstances, use His foreknowledge to protect Himself or His government from harm or rebellion. In fact, even though the Father foreknows the future, He will not allow His knowledge to alter or influ- ence His love or treatment of any person. Last, the Father will prove to the universe that one of His strangest laws is completely harmonious with principles of love. In my opinion, this prophecy contains one of the most fascinating stories found in the book of Revelation. 

A Short Summary of The Seven Seals 

Sometimes, it is good to have a bird’s eye view of a topic that is quite involved. Therefore, a short summary of my understanding of the seven seals might be helpful before we proceed. The first seal was broken in 1798. This seal is a campaign that promotes salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone. This campaign is controversial because it is in confl ict with all of the religions of the world. In fact, millions of Christians have been led to believe that salvation comes through rituals, sacraments, or church afflliation. None of this is true. Salvation comes through faith, obediently surrendering our will (go-be-do) to the will of Christ. The campaign begun with the first seal will continue until the time when the seventh trumpet is about to sound. 

The second seal was broken in 1800. This seal concerns the translation, publication, and distribution of the Bible – the only book on Earth that speaks authoritatively for God. This campaign will become very contro- versial during the Great Tribulation because Bible truth is opposed to the desires of the carnal nature. 

The third seal was broken in 1844. This seal reveals the concept of a pre-advent judgment. Jesus began judging the dead in 1844 and He will judge the living during the Great Tribulation. This campaign has been controversial, in part, because it rejects the idea that a person is judged at death and sent immediately to Heaven or hell. 

The fourth seal will be a campaign that reveals the sovereign authority of Jesus. This campaign has not begun yet, but when it does, a great controversy will erupt as to what constitutes the will of God. The breaking of the fourth seal will mark the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Billions of people will learn after the fourth seal is broken that everyone on Earth is required to worship Jesus as Creator and Redeemer. Of course, this will be controversial. 

The fifth seal will be a campaign that reveals the faith of Jesus. There will be millions of martyrs for Christ when the fifth seal is broken. These martyrs will demonstrate the peace and resolve that only comes through faith in Jesus. 

The sixth seal will be a campaign revealing Christ’s authority as Almighty God. When the sixth seal is broken, Jesus will appear in clouds of glory at the Second Coming. He will return to Earth to destroy the wicked and rescue the righteous.

 Finally, the seventh seal will be a campaign that reveals the eternal deity of Jesus. The whole universe will learn that Jesus is equal to the Father in every way. After Jesus destroys the wicked and the Earth with fire, He will create a new Heaven and a new Earth. The saints will then watch as Jesus humbles Himself again. Jesus will return the power and authority which the Father gave Him. Once again, Jesus will become submissive to the Father’s will. Jesus will do this because of His great love for the Father and His creation.

The seven seals reveal Jesus: 

Seal 1: The salvation of Jesus
Seal 2: The teachings of Jesus
Seal 3: The judgment of Jesus
Seal 4: The sovereign authority of Jesus

Seal5: The faith of Jesus 

Seal 6: The glory of Jesus

Seal7: The deity of Jesus 

When Jesus is revealed for all that He is at the end of the 1,000 years, the universe will see that the three members of the Godhead are inseparably united. They are submissive to each other. They are one in purpose, plan, and action and they love their children with as much love as they love one another. They are mirrors of each other. When Jesus came to Earth at His First Advent, most of the world was unaware of His arrival. When Jesus comes to Earth the second time, the result will be much different. Every eye will see Him. The whole world will know who He is. The saints will rejoice and the wicked will perish. 

[Progressive Truth]

Keras, in the following two post, I will share insights which goes into exactly what has been accomplished world wide since the first three seals have opened, and what will happen when seal four, five and six are opened. Please compare this interpretation with yours and ask yourself, which interpretation reveals the actions of God in saving mankind. 

When Jesus broke open the first seal, the Holy Spirit (the first living creature with the face of a lion) began a campaign in Europe and the New World (the United States). The Holy Spirit opened up the hearts and minds of people to their great need of salvation through faith in Jesus. This was a difficult, but an important transition. For more than twelve hundred years, the Roman Catholic Church had claimed that salvation came through obedience to the traditions and sacraments of the Church. When papal power was broken in 1798, the time had come for the world to hear the truth about salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone. No ritual, clergy, or church can save a sinner. A person’s connection to Christ does not come through a priest, preacher, rabbi, or cleric. Rather, a connection with Jesus is available to every person through the work of the Holy Spirit. Jesus speaks to us through the Holy Spirit and Jesus offers salvation to any person willing to obey His teachings and voice.

After the power of the papacy was wounded in 1798, the Holy Spirit put a compelling desire within Protestants to broadcast salvation through faith in Christ around the world. When it comes to revealing all that Jesus Christ is, the doctrine of salvation through faith in Christ (justi cation and sanctification) is the first and greatest teaching of Christ. The bow carried in the rider’s hand is not a weapon of war as artists commonly portray it. The Greek word toxon indicates the bow is made of fabric which indicates the bow carried in the rider’s hand is a winner’s ribbon. This bow indicates the victory that is given to everyone who abides in Christ.  In fact, victory over the carnal nature is only possible through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. A believer can overcome the power of sin through the power that Jesus will send him through the Holy Spirit! The gospel of Jesus always produces division and conflict when it is proclaimed with clarity and power. Lucifer and his demons will be sure of that! 

The Holy Spirit caused a great awakening in the United States and Europe and many people rejoiced to learn that salvation comes through faith in Christ alone. After breaking the first seal, the work of the Holy Spirit took off and the gospel of Jesus began to grow. This work will continue until the seventh trumpet occurs. 

Seal Two – The Teachings of Jesus 

 The Lamb spoke to the second living creature, the one who had the face like an ox. (Oxen are known for their great strength.) The Holy Spirit spoke in a loud voice, “Come and see the assignment the Lamb has given me!”  With this, the Holy Spirit transformed Himself into a rider on a red horse. He left Heaven’s throne room on a mission to empower and expand the spiritual revival that had just begun on Earth. The Holy Spirit carried with Him a great sword which represents the Word of God.This campaign centered on the translation, printing and distribution of God’s great sword, the Bible. 

In the early 1800s, the Holy Spirit began prompting Protestants to establish Bible societies in Europe and the United States. The result has been impressive: The British and Foreign Bible Society (1804), the Basel Bible Society (1804), the Berlin (later Prussian) Bible Society (1805), the Pennsylvania Bible Society (1808), the Connecticut Bible Society (1809), the Massachusetts Bible Society (1809), the International Bible Society (1809), the Bible Society of India (1811), the Russian Bible Society (1812), the Swedish Bible Society (1814), the Netherlands Bible Society (1814), the Icelandic Bible Society (1815), the Norwegian Bible Society (1816), the American Bible Society (1816), the Bible Society in Australia (1817), and the Protestant Biblical Society of Paris (1818). When viewed as a whole, the task has been laborious and expensive and many people have given sacrificially to this cause. The Bible (or portions of it) now exists in more than 2,572 languages and dialects. Since 1908, Gideons International has distributed about 1.7 billion Bibles. Since 1942, Wycliff Bible translators have helped to complete more than 700 translations. This enormous project, spanning the globe, could not have been possible if it were not through the persistent ministry of the Holy Spirit. No book has outsold the Bible and no other book comes close in terms of exposure and distribution. 

The relationship between the first two seals is important to notice. First, the Holy Spirit searched for people who were eager to understand the truth about salvation through Christ. Then He moved upon these people to share their knowledge by reproducing and distributing the Word of God. The teachings of Jesus are transforming. First, there is good news that God Himself has provided atonement for our sins through Christ (the doctrine of justification). Second, there is good news that justification is accompanied with a miraculous refining experience (the doctrine of sanctification). People who are willing to overcome the power of sin through Christ’s strength will receive a winner’s ribbon and a golden crown. The Bible societies have done (and are doing) their appointed work. They have printed and distributed millions of Bibles around the world! This has been strenuous work, but the Holy Spirit plowed ahead. He gave dedicated men and women the ability and strength to do the impossible. 

Note: The sword of truth always brings conflict. When Jesus lived on Earth, He made people angry by speaking the truth. Jesus said the problem is that men love darkness and they are afraid of the light of truth. The Jews killed Jesus be- cause they did not want the light of truth to expose their evil ways. Evil people will do whatever it takes to keep the truth from being known. During the Great Tribulation, a time will come when speaking Bible truth will be very inflammatory. Evil men will persecute and kill those who love God’s Word thinking they can eliminate the light of truth that shines from God’s Word, but God’s truth cannot be stopped. God will endure forever and so will His truth. The campaign of the second seal will end when Lucifer sets up his theocracy (sixth trumpet). 

Seal Three – The Judgment of Jesus 

The third living creature said to the assembled host, “Come and see the assignment the Lamb has given me!” I watched as the Holy Spirit transformed Himself into a rider on a black horse! He left Heaven with a pair of balancing scales in His hand. The Holy Spirit carried a solemn message to the people on Earth that Jesus had begun to cleanse Heaven’s temple. Because the third seal indicates judgment and the third seal follows the formation of Bible societies in the second seal, the third seal had to have been broken after the formation of the Bible societies. I believe the third seal was broken in 1844. This seal perfectly aligns with the scene in Daniel 7:9,10 where the court was seated and “the books were opened.” The third seal aligns with the cleansing of Heaven’s temple mentioned in Daniel 8:14.

Consider this: We know from the earthly temple services that the cleansing of the temple was a judicial process. The earthly temple became defiled by the record of sin and this necessitated an annual cleaning on the Day of Atonement. Similarly, Heaven’s temple has been defiled by the record of our sins and the assignment of guilt is determined during judgment. When all of the guilt is removed from Heaven’s temple and placed on the heads of sinners or the scapegoat, this will leave Heaven’s temple cleansed. Furthermore, Revelation 5:5 aligns with the exaltation of Jesus in Daniel 7:13,14. Jesus received the book sealed with seven seals and was given sovereign power in 1798 to conclude the sin problem and to exonerate the Father’s government. As each seal is broken, the events associated with it provide us a brighter revelation of all that Jesus is. 

The pre-advent judgment illuminates the ministry of Jesus as the Judge of mankind. After Jesus broke open the third seal in 1844, He opened the Books of Record in Heaven and began to investigate the lives and deeds of men and women who have died throughout Earth’s history. The Holy Spirit led people into this timely understanding of truth around 1844. Unfortunately, the nature and importance of 1844 remains largely misunderstood by most Christians today. This darkness will evaporate when the next seal is broken because the judgment of the living begins with the fourth seal. 

Now that we have investigated the first three campaigns, notice that the first three seals are additive in nature. This means that the activity generated by each campaign builds on the accomplishments of the preceding seal. The first three seals were carefully designed to prepare the world for the horrific events that will occur when the fourth seal is broken. 

 

[Progressive Truth]

 

Seal Four – The Sovereign Authority of Jesus 

 When the Lamb broke open the fourth seal, He spoke to the fourth living creature who had the face of a flying eagle and said, “Come and see the assignment the Lamb has given me!” Instinctively, I knew this campaign would be awful. The face of a flying eagle is fierce, focused, and deadly. Like the eagle that silently swoops down on its prey, the events of the fourth seal will come unexpectedly and the results will be deadly. 

As I watched, the fourth living creature (the one with the face of an eagle) transformed Himself into a rider on a pale, gray horse. The rider’s name was death and the grave followed close behind. The Holy Spirit was sent on a mission of death and destruction. The scope of destruction was greater than words can describe. I shuddered when I saw one-fourth of Earth’s population perish. God’s wrath is as overwhelming as His grace. God has four deadly judgments. They are sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts. (Ezekiel 14:12-21)

The fourth seal will be broken soon and God’s pent-up wrath will be released. The scale of death and destruction that follows the breaking of the fourth seal defies description. The breaking of the fourth seal marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation and the judgment of the living.  A topic of worldwide interest when God’s destruction begins will be the question of what constitutes God’s will. Many people will repent and recognize their accountability to God. Of course, many others will not. One thing is certain. When the fourth seal is broken, life on Earth as we currently know it will end. The whole world will soon experience our Creator’s displeasure with our decadent and degenerate ways. 

This may seem strange at first, but the Holy Spirit (in the form of the fourth living creature) will be sent on a mission to kill one forth of the worlds population.  Christians do not usually attribute such actions to the Holy Spirit. However, we need to remember three clarifying points: First, the Lamb sends the four riders on horses from the throne room. In other words, Jesus sends the fourth rider from Heaven to Earth to do a deadly work. Second, the rider on the horse is the fourth living creature. For reasons already discussed, we know the four living creatures represent the Holy Spirit. Third, as an example of the Holy Spirit taking action, the Bible states that Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit and He killed them. The Holy Spirit is also God. He has the power to give life and when the Father spoke the word, the Holy Spirit restored Jesus to life. The Holy Spirit is deity and He is more than capable of carrying out the directives of the fourth seal. There is no need for confusion over this. Even though the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate and distinct beings, they are one in purpose, plan and action. Therefore, it does not matter ultimately who causes the destruction for they are united about it. 

You may be wondering about the relationship between the Great Tribulation, the fourth seal, and The Book of Life. Remember, the Father wants everyone to know that like Himself, Jesus is a sovereign God. To demonstrate the sovereign authority of Jesus to a religiously diverse world, God must use divine action. For 2,000 years, Christians have been trying to tell the world who Jesus is, and today, 75% of the world has no knowledge or interest in Jesus. Jesus will implement the wrath of God and God’s actions will force everyone to consider who Jesus really is. Remember, Jesus is worthy of worship. He is an equal of the Father. During the Great Tribulation, many people will lament, “Why is God punishing everyone? He already knows who will be saved and who will be lost! Why doesn’t He save the righteous and destroy the wicked and be done with this?” Of course, the Father foreknew who would be saved and who would not before the world was created, but He will not allow anyone to see what He foreknew until the seventh seal is broken at the end of the 1,000 years. 

Let me be clear. Jesus does not know who will be saved and who will not! This is why Jesus began judging the dead in 1844 and He will judge the living in real time. Jesus can only pass judgment on what is seen and heard. This is why the Books of Record are necessary. Jesus judges the dead according to their deeds. Jesus will judge the living according to their deeds, but He will only do so after we have been tested. 

Seal Five – The Faith of Jesus 

As I continued to watch, the Lamb broke open the fifth seal on The Book of Life and there was an enormous slaughter of God’s saints. I saw that Jesus had a twofold purpose for the martyrdom of His people. First, the strongest testimony that a Christian can give in defense of righteousness and truth is his willingness to lay down his life for Jesus. (Remember Stephen, the first Christian martyr?) Second, Jesus is willing to sacrifice several million Christians in order to save a few non-Christians. In other words, Jesus knows that a few non-Christians will repent and become Christians when non-Christians see the faithful testimony and death of Christians. You may think it strange that Jesus would sacrifice millions of Christians to save a few non-Christians, but remember, Jesus, who is worth more than a million worlds, was sacrificed to save us. 

When temple services were conducted in Jerusalem, it was customary for priests to pour the blood of animal sacrifices into a large container at the base of the Altar of Burnt Offering. John saw the Altar of Burnt Offering in Heaven’s temple. Beneath this altar was a large container holding the blood of the saints who had been martyred because of their steadfast love for Jesus and His Word during the tribulation.

When Cain murdered Abel, the Bible says that Abel’s blood called out to God for justice. Abel’s blood is personified in Genesis because a great injustice had been inflicted on Abel. In a similar way, the blood of the martyrs will call out to Jesus from the container beneath the altar. I heard the cry, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, must this martyrdom go on? How long, O God, until You avenge our wrongful death?” 

Then, all of the martyrs were given a white robe (given the assurance of Christ’s righteousness, the wedding garment) and told to be patient. The saints were told that they were being used by Jesus as living sacrifices so that Jesus might save to the utmost. Martyrdom would continue until a predetermined number of martyrs were killed (Rev. 16:11) in other words, after the number of believers to be killed are killed, martyrdom will serve no further purpose in saving non-Christians. 

There is an interesting connection between the sword of truth (the Bible) in the second seal and the martyrdom of the saints during the fifth seal! When the second seal was broken, the Holy Spirit started a Bible campaign. The Bible was translated, printed, and widely distributed around the world. When the fifth seal is broken, many people will be martyred because the distribution of Bibles had exposed them to God’s truth and they stand firmly for the truth proclaimed in the Word of God. 

A predetermined number of saints and most, if not all, of the 144,000 will be killed during the fifth seal.The blood of martyrs is a powerful testimony and it cannot be easily ignored or silenced. It is comforting to know that Jesus has only to speak the word and millions who now sleep in the dust will come forth from the grave to life immortal! The first death is like a temporary sleep, but the second death is forever. To be honest, sleeping through the remainder of the Great Tribulation will prove to be a sweet blessing. The blood of martyrs will cry out for justice, but some of the wicked, after observing the sacrifices of innocent saints, will repent and be saved. Be assured that each martyr will be given a martyr’s faith. The Holy Spirit will comfort and empower each martyr to stand firm. Each one will have perfect peace knowing that Jesus will remember him when He calls the dead in Christ to life! 

Seal Six – The Glory of Jesus 

 I continued to watch as the Lamb broke open the sixth seal.
I saw a great commotion. Earth began to tremble and everyone was filled with fear. The Sun became an eerie black disk in the heavens, the moon turned blood red in color,  thousands and thousands of fiery meteors fell from the sky, like late figs drop from a fig tree when it is shaken by a strong wind.  The sky became violent, rolling up like a scroll, and every mountain and island was removed from their places. 

 Then the kings of the Earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, even the slaves, and free men, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.  They called to the fiery hail stones, saying, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the Father who sits on His throne and from the wrath of the Lamb who sits at His right hand!  For the great day of their wrath is here, and who can stand?” 

The sixth seal describes the physical appearing of Jesus at the Second Coming. The wicked will be horrified when they see Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father. As we think about this dramatic scene, two elements are important to consider. First, remember that the Book of Life is not opened at the Second Coming. The Book of Life remains sealed until the seventh seal is broken at the end of the 1,000 years. (Rev. 20:3-15)  It is not until the end of the one thousand years that the Father is vindicated. Second, remember that the seven seals are additive in nature. As each seal is broken, a brighter and clearer understanding of who Jesus really is unfolds. 

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

As each seal is broken, a brighter and clearer understanding of who Jesus really is unfolds. 

I have carefully read all of your posts.  I disagree with most of what you present.

The reality of Jesus is apparent to all who accept His offer of Salvation. Everyone else who rejects the Gospel, are destined for annihilation.  Those who have never heard the Gospel, will be judged on their actions during their lives. 

Scripture is clear; it will only be after the Lords Day of fiery wrath, that most will at last understand Gods purposes. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:24, Isaiah 42:1`8-20

For now, what we must keep in mind, is whatever happens; stand firm in our faith and trust the Lord for His protection. Romans 10:13, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:31

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Jesus ascends literally up beyond the sky to sit down at the right hand of God.
(Acts 2:9-11  Hebrews 12:2)

Jesus prevailed, to open the scroll, in, the right hand of God.
(Revelation 5:1,7-8)

I put no time in between the ascension of Jesus
and the opening of the first seal. Jesus ascended up to heaven,
sat down at the right hand of the Father, and opened the first seal.

 

The time from the death and resurrection of Christ
up to the formation of the worlds nations as we have them now,
the formation of the Holy Roman Empire; Mystery Babylon;
the mystery schools; Masons and Illuminati; the three city states that rule the whole world, their formation is the white horse period of time.
Napoleon was a climatic figure during that time.

The red horse period of time climaxed with figures such as Hitler.

We are headed into the climax of the black horse period of time,
world wide economic collapse.

So we are inside of seal 3. Each color representing a period of time.

The pale horse is the anti-Christ period of time,
death in the flesh pretending to be Jesus.

Then the saints cry out for the day of the Lord.

Then the day of the Lord happens.

 

Then Revelation tells the same prophecy over again
in different ways, each giving different details of the same 
repeated prophecy.

 

 

One should watch "the nuclear scare scam" featuring Galen Winsor.
He puts radioactive material in his mouth, and discusses the truth
concerning supposed radioactive materials.

When God sends down things as described in Revelation chapter 8,
the enemy has laid a groundwork of deception such that
people think it is just a 'nuke' or an 'asteroid'
instead of realizing it as a Biblical event.

When Revelation 9 is happening people will think of it
as 'random' 'aliens' instead of as a Biblical event.
The deceptions from the enemy will be used to mask and muddy otherwise
clear end time events.

 

[Progressive Truth]

16 hours ago, Keras said:

I have carefully read all of your posts.  I disagree with most of what you present.

Keras, you certainly have the choice to disagree with most of what I posted. But if it is incorrect as you see it, could you at least disprove the courtroom event of Dan. 7, and Rev. 4&5, not being set up in 1798?

Do you understand why Jesus was given sovereign power at that time? (Dan. 7:14, NIV)

[Progressive Truth]

4 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Jesus prevailed, to open the scroll, in, the right hand of God.
(Revelation 5:1,7-8)

I put no time in between the ascension of Jesus
and the opening of the first seal. Jesus ascended up to heaven,
sat down at the right hand of the Father, and opened the first seal.

 

Do you think that Daniel was shown the same court room event as John, as he describes his vision in Dan. 7:13, 14?

If not, please explain why you see them as being different.

4 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

When God sends down things as described in Revelation chapter 8,
the enemy has laid a groundwork of deception such that
people think it is just a 'nuke' or an 'asteroid'
instead of realizing it as a Biblical event.

When Revelation 9 is happening people will think of it
as 'random' 'aliens' instead of as a Biblical event.
The deceptions from the enemy will be used to mask and muddy otherwise
clear end time events.

I would like to understand what you think each of the trumpets in Rev. 8 and 9 are since you think they are clearly explained.

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

Keras, you certainly have the choice to disagree with most of what I posted. But if it is incorrect as you see it, could you at least disprove the courtroom event of Dan. 7, and Rev. 4&5, not being set up in 1798?

Do you understand why Jesus was given sovereign power at that time? (Dan. 7:14, NIV)

I have read the Great Controversy by Ellen White.  I agree that she was inspired, but by whom?   I ask that because all of what she wrote is not supported by scripture. 

In 1798, the power of the Pope was taken away, temporarily. I do not view this as being the fulfilment of Daniel 7:9-10  That Prophecy relates to Revelation 20:11-15, the final Judgment of everyone who has ever lived. 

Jesus was anointed as King in 30 AD, as described in Psalms 2:4-8, but He has yet to take up His sovereign power. That happens after all the Prophesies take place up to Revelation 19:10