The Kings of Revelation 17

[Marilyn C]

8 hours ago, Spock said:

It may not say Rome but the inference is pretty strong because what kingdom followed Greece? And you can’t say “Islam” because these are only kingdoms that subjugated Israel while they were in their land.  Israel was out of the land around 135 AD…long before the Turks/Islam came into town. Thus, they don’t count. So what other kingdom after Greece ruled Israel while the Jews were back in their land?  Can’t say GB either because when Israel became a nation in 48, they had left the house. 
 

So, if the bet is between Rome and the Turks, put my $2 down on Rome. 
 

🤗 but I still and always will 💖 you Marilyn….its in my born again blood….

Oh dear Spock,

Hope all`s well with you and yours. So glad you joined the conversation. Now to the discussion.

Yes, Rome followed Greece and God has judged them all. There is still the last Gentile Global Government to come, as we all know. 

The divided kingdom, the `feet and toes,` describes it. And the last great power of Dan. 7: 7 is so terrifying.... if you think that is Europe well, please tell me have they been beheading, killing, burning people alive, raping, killing babies etc. (Sorry for the detail, but that is reality)?

regards, Marilyn.

[Spock]

On 2/20/2024 at 12:59 AM, Marilyn C said:

Oh dear Spock,

Hope all`s well with you and yours. So glad you joined the conversation. Now to the discussion.

Yes, Rome followed Greece and God has judged them all. There is still the last Gentile Global Government to come, as we all know. 

The divided kingdom, the `feet and toes,` describes it. And the last great power of Dan. 7: 7 is so terrifying.... if you think that is Europe well, please tell me have they been beheading, killing, burning people alive, raping, killing babies etc. (Sorry for the detail, but that is reality)?

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

I’m thinking the 10 toes won’t be formed until sometime after the rapture, perhaps even sometime after the covenant is confirmed pursuant to Daniel 9:27.  I don’t really know what life on this world will be like at that time, but the way the world looks now, it’s already pretty scary and very evil. Who knows what it will be after the rapture when the man of sin arises now that the restrainer has been removed. Take away “the restrainer” and all hell can break loose here on Planet Earth and especially on Joe Biden’s/Barack Obama’s America (a little political commentary I just threw in there for free). 😇 

-S

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Spock said:

Marilyn,

I’m thinking the 10 toes won’t be formed until sometime after the rapture, perhaps even sometime after the covenant is confirmed pursuant to Daniel 9:27.  I don’t really know what life on this world will be like at that time, but the way the world looks now, it’s already pretty scary and very evil. Who knows what it will be after the rapture when the man of sin arises now that the restrainer has been removed. Take away “the restrainer” and all hell can break loose here on Planet Earth and especially on Joe Biden’s/Barack Obama’s America (a little political commentary I just threw in there for free). 😇 

-S

I totally agree there bro. 

[Revelation Man]

On 2/8/2024 at 9:52 PM, Montana Marv said:

King Nebby's Statue was referencing only 4 Kingdoms.  If Rome was that 4th kingdom, it is Rome which is depicted during the 70th Week.  The re-emergence of Rome.  No Islam, that religion dies on the foothills if Israel (Ezk 39)  Israel lives safely in their Land for 3 1/2 years.

Actually there are 5 Beasts there, only 4 are numbered per se. Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the last Beast is a man as Dan. 7:11 says, the Beast whose Body is Destroyed and he is cast into Hellfire. Then in vs. 24 we see Gabriel calls the last beast a HE....as in a man of course AND he differentiates him from the First Beast (pointing to the two beasts of Rome, not Babylon we know this because vs. 23 and 24 is about the fourth beast, and besides, they are all different from each other).

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms(as vs. 3 says), and shall devour the whole earth(Region being spoken about only, not the WHOLE WORLD), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns(10 = Completion) out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(The E.U. the number of states does not matter 10 = completion): and another shall rise after them(The Little Horn/A.C./Beast is born in the E.U. actually in Greece which is in the E.U. Dan. 8:9 mandates this be true); and he shall be diverse from the first(Rome not Babylon), and he shall subdue three kings.

So, I agree it is Rome centric, but its another Beast. Adding them up shows us the 7 can only be Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the A.C. Even the statue shows 5, the four and the Iron & Clay.

[Revelation Man]

On 2/9/2024 at 4:03 PM, douggg said:

Marilyn, the Gog/Magog event results in the destruction of most of Russia's army, and the Muslim nations armies.     It does not affect the armies of the EU, the U.S and Canada, and the Eastern nations like China.

The little horn person in Daniel 8:9 comes from north and west of Israel, waxing exceedingly great implying that he enters the middle east with a strong army.     Since he destroys many by peace, that indicates that following Gog/Magog, he will enter the middle east with his EU military on the premise of being peace keeper in the region.

Pretty spot on here Douggg, but Satan pre plans out everything he does, like a Good cop, Bad cop. The European Neighborhood Policy has been in place since the early 2000s. 

European Neighbourhood Policy 

The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or become more closely integrated with the European Union. 

The countries covered are Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South;(Israel & THE MANY) and Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine in the East. Russia has a special status with the EU-Russia Common Spaces instead of ENP participation. The EU offers financial assistance to countries within the European Neighbourhood, so long as they meet the strict conditions of government reform, economic reform and other issues surrounding positive transformation(They must conform the the E.U. so called policy norms, the old Carrot & Stick approach). This process is normally underpinned by an Action Plan agreed by Brussels and the target country. 

The EU typically concludes Association Agreements in exchange for commitments to political, economic, trade, or human rights reform in a country. In exchange, the country may be offered tariff-free access to some or all EU markets (notably industrial goods or agricultural products) and financial or technical assistance.

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Now watch how I bring the 7 year Agreements out, they used to have them clearly shown, now I have to show they are 7 year Agreements. 

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.....the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014 and was merged in 2021 into Global Europe.[5] It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programmes and replaced The earlier European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by Directorate-General for Development and Cooperation and EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. The ENPI funding approved for the 2007–2013 period was €11.2 billion.

SEE IT? It is 7 Year Agreements.

So, the ENI (same thing minor name tweak) came into force (agreements between party's) in 2014. Look to the bottom now, the ENPI funding was for 2007-2013 (a 7 year period) The look back up the other bolded sentence, the one that came into effect in 2014 was MERGED into the 2021 Global Europe (whatever). So, 2007-2013 is stated clearly, then we see they had another 7 years from 2014-2020, and then things CHANGED or were tweaked again in 2021. These Agreements run in 7 year cycles. 

He's not going to enter Israel and the region with a Military presence per se, the E.U. & Satan, is reeling these nations in via trade and Billions of Dollars, seeking to TIE these nations to the E.U. Now look at this map, they were openly doing the same with Ukraine for years, now they want Ukraine to be a part of the E.U. which is why Putin  attacked Ukraine. 

This Anti-Christ/E.U. President is going to try and separate these nations off from Russia, after the Gog & Magog war, that will draw Israel closer to the E.U. but it also, seemingly draws the nations surrounding Israel closer to the E.U. and Israel, seeing as they do no enter the war vs. Israel, Iran has made those other nations see Israel as an ally. This E.U. President will gain their trust (by Peace he kills many). Since God destroys Israel and Iran's Armies and probably Turkey's also that will leave the E.U. as the only power in Europe, thus as he attacks why does the USA not attack him? Because the USA gets hit with the Apophis Asteroid at the 1260 Rev. 8 events (First 4 Trumps are ONE EVENT). The 1/3 on fire is the New World, the Pacific Ocean covers 1/3 of the worlds surface. The 1/3 is telling us the destination this asteroid is going to hit, in the Pacific Ocean, just off the coast of the New World (California and Mexico says NASA is where this will hit if if hits, and it will hit)

This European Neighborhood Policy is the 7 Year Agreement pre worked up, in other words Satan is using this instrument to entangles these nations with the E.U. and thus when the time comes, some will join the E.U. When Israel joins the E.U. that begins it all, there is NO GAP between the pre 70th week Rapture and the Rapture because its all set off by Israel joining the E.U. God's anger arises because Israel, in essence, has given His land away. The Rapture happens at that point and the 70th week starts at that point. 

[Revelation Man]

On 2/21/2024 at 12:20 PM, Spock said:

I’m thinking the 10 toes won’t be formed until sometime after the rapture, perhaps even sometime after the covenant is confirmed pursuant to Daniel 9:27.  I don’t really know what life on this world will be like at that time, but the way the world looks now, it’s already pretty scary and very evil. Who knows what it will be after the rapture when the man of sin arises now that the restrainer has been removed. Take away “the restrainer” and all hell can break loose here on Planet Earth and especially on Joe Biden’s/Barack Obama’s America (a little political commentary I just threw in there for free)

The 10 Toes are Iron (Rome) and Clay the clay shows that Rome (Iron) came back together but not as a Nation conquered, but as a FACTION (Clay) of Nations seemed together, not very well, instead of rivets, they are held together by clay this time. Instead of one central Army conquering, you have a Political Beast who elect the E.U. President (see Rev. 17:12-13)

12 And the ten horns (10 = Completion like the 10 Virgin Brides, so this = the Complete E.U. revived as one) which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour(42 months) with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

So, these 10 (E.U.) give their power unto the Beast, this means he is elected by the E.U. Parliament. Dan. 7:7-8 also tells us these 10 Arise out of the Fourth Beasts Head. Anyone saying this is anything but an E.U. Centric Beast is just off kilter on this. They refuse to look at Dan. 8:9 in the CONTEXT of the Four Directions, which mandate a Greek born Little Horn, who arises to political Power out of the E.U. which Dan. 7:7-8 mandates. They get lost in the weeds on The Assyrian, but bloodlines travel. 

He has to be of an Turkish/Iraqi (Old Assyria) bloodline. He has to be born in Greece (Turkey has a common border with Greece) AND he has to arise to political power in the old Fourth Beasts sphere, the E.U.

So, he's has Assyrian blood, his family at some point migrated to Greece where he was born, and Greece is in the E.U. 

But, that makes too much sense, it can only be a Muslim. SURE, Israel is going to FULLY TRUST a Muslim so much they give up their Nukes. No, they simply join the E.U. and thus lean on the E.U. for protection, which will of course be a double mistake, he will seek to wipe them out, plus they basically give God's land away when they join the E.U.

[douggg]

On 3/11/2024 at 1:47 AM, Revelation Man said:

The 10 Toes are Iron (Rome) and Clay the clay shows that Rome (Iron) came back together but not as a Nation conquered, but as a FACTION (Clay) of Nations seemed together, not very well, instead of rivets, they are held together by clay this time. Instead of one central Army conquering, you have a Political Beast who elect the E.U. President (see Rev. 17:12-13)

12 And the ten horns (10 = Completion like the 10 Virgin Brides, so this = the Complete E.U. revived as one) which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour(42 months) with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

So, these 10 (E.U.) give their power unto the Beast, this means he is elected by the E.U. Parliament. Dan. 7:7-8 also tells us these 10 Arise out of the Fourth Beasts Head. Anyone saying this is anything but an E.U. Centric Beast is just off kilter on this. They refuse to look at Dan. 8:9 in the CONTEXT of the Four Directions, which mandate a Greek born Little Horn, who arises to political Power out of the E.U. which Dan. 7:7-8 mandates. They get lost in the weeds on The Assyrian, but bloodlines travel. 

He has to be of an Turkish/Iraqi (Old Assyria) bloodline. He has to be born in Greece (Turkey has a common border with Greece) AND he has to arise to political power in the old Fourth Beasts sphere, the E.U.

So, he's has Assyrian blood, his family at some point migrated to Greece where he was born, and Greece is in the E.U. 

But, that makes too much sense, it can only be a Muslim. SURE, Israel is going to FULLY TRUST a Muslim so much they give up their Nukes. No, they simply join the E.U. and thus lean on the E.U. for protection, which will of course be a double mistake, he will seek to wipe them out, plus they basically give God's land away when they join the E.U.

The person has to be a Jew as well, and his religion Judaism in order to become the Antichrist - King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews, for a while.

Whoever the person is, he has to become over a panel of ten EU leaders.

It will not be long before that person is made known.      It has to happen before the Gog/Magog event because the 7 years following the destruction of Gog army (Ezekiel 39:1-6) in Ezekiel 39:9-10 is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Gog/Magog event, Gog's armies destroyed, verses 1-6.

followed by 7 years, verses 9-10

followed by Armageddon, verses 17-20

Jesus returned to this earth, His Second Coming, verses 21-29

 

 

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, douggg said:

The person has to be a Jew as well, and his religion Judaism in order to become the Antichrist - King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews, for a while.

 

That is not correct my friend, as I have stated unto you many times, Israel never accepts any man as their "Messiah or King" they simply will join the E.U. The idea that they will accept another seems to spring forth from John 5:43, but Jesus was speaking specifically about and unto the Pharisees, who rejected him as the Messiah but accepted other men as the Messiah in the 67-70 AD wars. 

So, this just shows why it is very important not to get off-tracked my friend. 

15 hours ago, douggg said:

Whoever the person is, he has to become over a panel of ten EU leaders.

 

The 10 equals completion, just like the 10 virgin brides represent the complete church on earth. I think I now know why 3 were plucked up, the 10 were the E.U. forming, but remember in Rev. 17:17 God says He placed it in their hearts to do His will, thus it turns from 10 (E.U. or the Complete E.U.) into 7 or into God's Divine Will. Numbers in the old testament were important because there was but 4000 or so Hebrew words. 

15 hours ago, douggg said:

It will not be long before that person is made known.      It has to happen before the Gog/Magog event because the 7 years following the destruction of Gog army (Ezekiel 39:1-6) in Ezekiel 39:9-10 is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Gog/Magog event, Gog's armies destroyed, verses 1-6.

followed by 7 years, verses 9-10

followed by Armageddon, verses 17-20

Jesus returned to this earth, His Second Coming, verses 21-29

It can happen just before or just after the pre 70th week rapture, as per the Gog and Magog War. The Anti-Christ is not revealed until after the Rapture of the church but before the DOTL falls, as 2 Thess. 2:1-5 tells us. 

Israel burning weapons for 7 years, more than likely means she agrees to burn off her Nukes as fuel, or to get rid of her nukes as a condition to joining the E.U. but that 7 probably means Divine Completion, in other words, Israel will never again have these weapons, or need them, because Jesus shows up, and Israel is protected from that time on, by the Divine Godhead. 

Edited March 15 by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

On 2/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, Marilyn C said:

It is being built today with a world port nearby to enable all ships to berth. I have posted pictures of all of this on Worthy.

I would like to see the pictures you posted.

Thank you.

[Diaste]

On 2/7/2024 at 3:38 AM, douggg said:

The 7 kings of Revelation 17 are:

1. Julius Caesar

2. Augustus Caesar

3. Tiberius

4. Caligula

5. Claudius

6. Nero (the one is king)

7. time of the end little horn person, continues a short space, 42 months as the beast-king

8. time of the end beast-king (the killed/brought back to life little horn person)

 

This would be based on the 65 AD origin of Revelation. 

I'm convinced the evidence is strong Revelation was given in 95 AD, or thereabouts.