Two times God gathers Israel, the next time is when He comes

[dad2]

17 hours ago, Prycejosh1987 said:

Jesus says that all people will be gathered until Him as one flock with one Shepherd John 10.16. Jew and gentile are excepted by God. Jesus did not just come for the Jews but all nations. 

No one says Jesus only came for the Jews. He does have specific promises for them though. He also has specific promises for us. For example He will gather us in the air and give us new bodies. The thread is about the specific words of God Himself about gathering Israel in that land here on earth. The NEXT time, the second time He does that will be after He comes back and they have been saved. Not in 1948. In other words the evil mass murdering they are doing today has zero connection to God. He did not yet give them that land and restore them.

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, Diaste said:

I didn't say the Jews and the Church are one. What I do say is the 'church' is the congregation made up of God's people. This congregation began with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who is Israel.

Not really, the only thing that is the same is we ALL COME unto God by Faith Alone, that is all Paul is pointing unto, THESE LINES (Key) The Law came 430 years after the Promise. Abraham believed God so it was accounted unto him  for righteousness, so they that are of FAITH are the children of righteous Abraham (meaning children of FAITH, not one with Israel. Cursed is any man who follows the Law via works but keeps not every law, thus those of faith are of Faithful Abraham, not in seed, but in Spirit, we understand how God works just as Faithful Abraham did, or Redeemer is God, we are none good, no not one. That however doesn't mean God does not have a different job for Israel (birth the messiah) and the Church (take the Gospel unto the whole world) and finally we are Raptured to Marry the Lamb and meanwhile when Jesus returns he will be the King of the Jews for 1000 years during the Kingdom Age. 

Its TWO SEPERATE ENTIES with different callings , just like in a microcosm, my calling and your calling are not the same even though we both come to Christ Jesus by FAITH ALONE we can't be justified works, only by Faith, but we still have different callings, Israel and the Church have different callings/jobs.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

The Israel of God are the people of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob which predates the 12 tribes, the nation of borders and the Jewish religion. Further, any not of the faith of Abraham that come to the faith of Abraham and are in Jesus Christ, are adopted by God and grafted into the Israel of God, the people of faith. 

We are in the same FAMILY TREE, but we have different callings. We will not be here for the 1000 year reign. Rev. 20:4 shows that. Israel as a nation was not here f the Church age as a National entity, for the most part. What I think you miss overall is the Promises to Abraham and Israel are specific unto them alone.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

In this way there is no 'christian' but only the church, the congregation, the Israel of faith, the true Israel, in Christ, of the faith of Abraham, grafted into the natural olive tree and adopted as sons of God the Father. 

That's like saying there are no people called unto ONLY Healing, or ONLY Prophetic Understandings et al. We each have a different calling even though we come to God in the same manner, by Faith. Likewise Israel, once they repent at the 1335, they will come unto God by faith alone, just like the Raptured church did also. 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

You are comparing monkeys to sharks. Which Israel are you talking about? Israel the nation isn't a religion, it's an abstract called a nation. 

 

The 1/3 Israel who repent do so as a Nation. When Paul says Israel was blinded IN PART, until the time of the Gentiles [SERVICE] is come full, that means they will see as a Nation, God never blinded individual Jews of course, that can't be done, each man is drawn unto God by the holy Spirit, so how did God blind them as a Nation? Well, you can't SEE as a Nation when you are NO NATION !! That is how God blinded Israel as a nation, the Diaspora.  

There has to be a BELIEVING Nation for Jesus to return unto, read the last verse in  Matt. 23, Jesus tells them they will not see him again until they are saying Blessed is he (Jesus) who comes in the name of the Lord. Then Jesus will set up his 1000 year kingdom age in Jerusalem.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Religion doesn't compare well with map. 

The church, I can only assume you mean Christianity, is a religion; that doesn't compare at all with true faith. 

I guess we should define terms if this is to continue. 

The "Church" simply means the Body of Christ. We are taken to heaven to marry the Lamb. Israel will be used by Jesus as a base for the 1000 year reign. 

[Revelation Man]

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't think the prophets gave them a resume of personal accomplishmets.

On 5/17/2024 at 9:52 PM, Revelation Man said:

But you are not sure....but I am, they always stated they came in the Name of the Lord. The Kings hated them. 

 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Then you're making a mistake. Expertise is not solely based on longevity. Age is not the decider of quality, quality and accuracy speak for itself.

SMH, I understand prophecy in full, when you get to heaven and see everything I told you was true, then you will be like, Wow, this guy was correct and I had to always bring in semantics. It is what it is brother. When it comes to someone drawing on semantics etc. etc. I just do nit bother with it.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

That sounds like every pastor, minister, priest, deacon, chaplain I have ever talked to. 

BUT.........The fault always lies with you or I when we do not know how to hear God's voice amongst the noise. I can listen to a preacher 5-10 minutes and know if hes of God or not, that is why I don't worry about what anyone says, per se, the holy spirit is what guides me. 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

I suppose we'll see one day. 

On 5/17/2024 at 9:52 PM, Revelation Man said:

And soon brother......we can know THE SEASON of the Rapture, just not the Day nor Hour. Israel knew the Season the Trumps would be blown, but had to wait in the New Moon to come in. 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

I do applaud you for seeing many things others in the pretrib fortress do not see. I don't agree with your specific conclusions as I can find it no where in the scriptures. 

And people in Jesus' time could not find Jesus' coming as a meek lamb led to the slaughter, but its there. Right? Smile. 

God Bless.