Physics versus Metaphysics

[The Barbarian]

11 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

You aren't any better at reading posts than you are at reading the Bible, apparently.

I don't think generic insults will cover for you this time.   I could have believed you made a mistake, but when you doubled down on the lie, that was obviously not true.

 

[RV_Wizard]

8 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

you doubled down on the lie

Nope.  Not a lie.  You posted more of your already discredited nonsense.

This is a Christian website.  We believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.  We don't dedicate ourselves to teaching others that foundational doctrine is not true.  We don't use partial verses out of context to validate claims that are 180 degrees out of phase with the teaching of the Bible.  We don't teach evolution, salvation by works, or any of your other pet heresies.

[farouk]

On 6/19/2024 at 9:29 PM, Scott Free said:

Yeah, subatomic particles are so weird. The answer to the question "Do they behave like waves or particles?" is … yes. The Word creating order from the deep waters was a more mindboggling process than we first assumed. It always puts me into a state of awe just perceiving what little we know.

@Scott Free You probably know more about it than me but I do find such divergences in perception and measurement intriguing.

[Scott Free]

7 minutes ago, farouk said:

You probably know more about it than me but I do find such divergences in perception and measurement intriguing.

It is exhilarating to attempt to understand these things. The more we learn the more we realize our ignorance. I am stupid on the subject and just parrot others without being able to define my position with any competence. 

[The Barbarian]

15 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Nope.  Not a lie.

I kept a screenshot, knowing you'd deny it.    Want me to show everyone again?

15 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

We don't teach evolution,

Evolution, as you learned, is something we see in populations all around us.  

15 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

We believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. 

Except the the parts of His word that you don't like...

James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

15 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

salvation by works

By works and faith, according to God.   Why not just believe Him?

 

 

[BeyondET]

On 7/15/2024 at 8:31 AM, RV_Wizard said:

What would be the point of saving pairs of animals if it wasn't to preserve the creation?  Why is that those who don't understand or wish to believe the Bible strive so hard to make it sound like there are contradictions when there are none?  Why not just read the Bible and pray for understanding, or maybe, attend a Bible believing church.

And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

So all of man on the ark who had the breath of life lived, yes I agree.

[RV_Wizard]

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I kept a screenshot, knowing you'd deny it.

I'm not denying anything.  You posted nonsense.  It was the same nonsense you've posted many times, and that has been shown to be nonsense many times.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Evolution, as you learned,

Evolution, as you have learned, is a lie.  There is a common Creator, but no common progenitor.  All life came from God, not from inorganic dirt.

9 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Except the the parts of His word that you don't like...

James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

Why not stick with things you understand and leave the Bible to those of us willing to study it?   Romans 3:21–26: “But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, . . . so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.” Several important facts about justification are to be noted."

John 14:6 records Jesus’ own declaration: “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'”  Without Accepting Christ there is no salvation.  Period.

 

 

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

I'm not denying anything.  You posted nonsense. 

It was a screenshot of you post.   It was merely a falsehood.

Evolution, as you have learned, is directly observed in populations all around us.   No point in denial.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

There is a common Creator, but no common progenitor.

Genetics says you're wrong.   And geneticists actually know what they are talking about.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

All life came from God, not from inorganic dirt.

God says you're wrong:

Genesis 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done.

He's right; you're wrong.

On 7/15/2024 at 5:38 PM, RV_Wizard said:

We don't teach evolution, salvation by works

God says you're wrong.

James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

Why not stick with things you understand and leave the Bible to those of us willing to study it? 

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

John 14:6 records Jesus’ own declaration: “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'” 

You just don't approve of they way people come to Him.   But He does.

Like most cafeteria Christians, you pick the parts you like, and reject the rest. 

 

 

 

[RV_Wizard]

53 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

It was a screenshot of you post

You seem upset that someone pointed out the foolish nonsense you post.  That's what happens when you continue to post nonsense.  You get called out on it.

56 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Evolution....is directly observed..

Wrong.  Adaptation is observed.  Increasing complexity; the acquisition of new characteristics without previously existing information; common progenitors; molecules-to-man; these things are not observed, have never been observed, and are not scientifically valid claims.

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

Genetics says you're wrong

The Bible says you're wrong.  I'll take God's word over yours any day.

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

God says you're wrong:

And once more you take a single verse out of context to promote a lie.  What does the Bible really say?

Genesis 1:

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Does that sound like evolution to you?  You repeatedly LIE about man evolving, when God said He created man in His image.  You've been shown this dozens of times, and yet you continue to lie about it.  It's one thing to be wrong.  It's another to lie about what the Bible clearly states.

Seriously, nothing you say in relation to Biblical teaching is even close to being accurate.

 

[BeyondET]

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Why not stick with things you understand and leave the Bible to those of us willing to study it?   Romans 3:21–26: “But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, . . . so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.” Several important facts about justification are to be noted."

John 14:6 records Jesus’ own declaration: “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'”  Without Accepting Christ there is no salvation.  Period.

 

 

Peter certainly found out about faith and the work of walking on water, they go hand and hand.

Romans 3

31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

Edited July 17, 2024 by BeyondET