What really does the New Testament reveal in terms of “tribulation and great tribulation”

[tatwo]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Of course I realize that these and so many more of my “new interpretations” significantly differ than those that are “today’s accepted interpretations,” but one of the most important errors in “today’s accepted interpretations,” (imo) is that, throughout Daniel, so many important verses / prophecies, etc., are not properly interpreted and have all been thrown into the future. 

As I look at what your saying about the Lord and Matthew 24 I do not necessarily see them as new...you have done a good job here...and I have been enlightened to be sure...yet your "new interpretations" are incomplete...which is normal in regards to ever increasing arc of prophecy.

So it will be interesting to see how you respond to the "potential" of a more complete interpretation if submitted to you?

From the perspective of a normal church existence...yes your interpretation is very likely new and will be utterly rejected...they just don't have any option...they have rejected Him.

Tatwo...;)

[tatwo]

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Please help me with your understanding that these verses also have an end time application.

Certainly, the cross is applicable to all generations after it occurred, but I am assuming you might be seeing a specific end time application that I am not seeing or am aware of… 

Thanks, Charlie

Well...we may be able to go there and I will try to show you from the scripture but it requires revelation directly from the Holy Spirit (Yahshua) directly into the mind of ones spirit...provided one has the Holy Spirit. Do you have an "active" spiritual existence Charlie?

Let me take some time and contemplate the best way to go about this.

For starters...answer me this if you can and so desire Charlie...who is the man spoken of by Daniel in chapter 10:5-7 and 12:6-7? And do you see them as the same man?

"I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz!  (6)  His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of his words like the voice of a multitude.  (7)  And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great terror fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves." Dan 10:5-7 NKJV

"And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?"  (7)  Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished." Dan 12:6-7 NKJV

Tatwo...:)

[farouk]

12 minutes ago, tatwo said:

As I look at what your saying about the Lord and Matthew 24 I do not necessarily see them as new...you have done a good job here...and I have been enlightened to be sure...yet your "new interpretations" are incomplete...which is normal in regards to ever increasing arc of prophecy.

So it will be interesting to see how you respond to the "potential" of a more complete interpretation if submitted to you?

From the perspective of a normal church existence...yes your interpretation is very likely new and will be utterly rejected...they just don't have any option...they have rejected Him.

Tatwo...;)

I do think Matthew 24 (and indeed Luke 21) are about the Great Tribulation after the church has gone.

[Charlie744]

52 minutes ago, farouk said:

I do think Matthew 24 (and indeed Luke 21) are about the Great Tribulation after the church has gone.

I will have to go back to 24 and 21 to read them in their entirety.  If I remember (somewhat), there were / are 3 questions that were asked of Christ. I don’t believe He answered one of the three that was asked of end  time return. I can’t remember the second one but the remaining question concerned / spoke to the AOD… can you please tell me if these AOD (and obviously the definition of the AOD) are end time events or the time of the Messiah?

Thanks so much, Charlie 

[farouk]

1 minute ago, Charlie744 said:

I will have to go back to 24 and 21 to read them in their entirety.  If I remember (somewhat), there were / are 3 questions that were asked of Christ. I don’t believe He answered one of the three that was asked of end  time return. I can’t remember the second one but the remaining question concerned / spoke to the AOD… can you please tell me if these AOD (and obviously the definition of the AOD) are end time events or the time of the Messiah?

Thanks so much, Charlie 

Well I was really making a more general point, I guess...

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

As I look at what your saying about the Lord and Matthew 24 I do not necessarily see them as new...you have done a good job here...and I have been enlightened to be sure...yet your "new interpretations" are incomplete...which is normal in regards to ever increasing arc of prophecy.

So it will be interesting to see how you respond to the "potential" of a more complete interpretation if submitted to you?

From the perspective of a normal church existence...yes your interpretation is very likely new and will be utterly rejected...they just don't have any option...they have rejected Him.

Tatwo...;)

Not sure I follow here… sorry. Why don’t they have any option? People can decide to consider a new interpretation and decide to accept or reject it…. 
 

I certainly understand these many new interpretations in my commentary will / may be rejected … again, most of Daniel has been thrown far into the future… and has still not happened - because they really apply to the first coming of the Messiah.

Thanks, Charlie 

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Well...we may be able to go there and I will try to show you from the scripture but it requires revelation directly from the Holy Spirit (Yahshua) directly into the mind of ones spirit...provided one has the Holy Spirit. Do you have an "active" spiritual existence Charlie?

Let me take some time and contemplate the best way to go about this.

For starters...answer me this if you can and so desire Charlie...who is the man spoken of by Daniel in chapter 10:5-7 and 12:6-7? And do you see them as the same man?

"I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz!  (6)  His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of his words like the voice of a multitude.  (7)  And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great terror fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves." Dan 10:5-7 NKJV

"And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?"  (7)  Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished." Dan 12:6-7 NKJV

Tatwo...:)

I believe both verses are referring to the Messiah. 
 

I look forward to seeing how / why you brought these two verses into this… appreciate it! Charlie 

[tatwo]

15 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Not sure I follow here… sorry. Why don’t they have any option? People can decide to consider a new interpretation and decide to accept or reject it…. 
 

I certainly understand these many new interpretations in my commentary will / may be rejected … again, most of Daniel has been thrown far into the future… and has still not happened - because they really apply to the first coming of the Messiah.

Generally speaking...the religious folks which are the ones likely...of anyone...to read and study your commentary...typically don't like anything new. They like what they like...they don't like to have to change...this goes for the leaders and the congregations.

Most of what these folks believe today...was from 100...200...500 years ago or more...the general assembly of the religious are raised on "yesterdays manna." 

On top of that and in general...they are blind and deaf to ever emerging revelation as it disturbs the "norm." Yes there are those few who hear the voice of the Shephard and will follow Him...however...typically and generally in the religious structure very little changes in terms of doctrine or belief structure. 

Additionally their "church mother" has worked hard to make them comfortable in their unrealized blindness and deafness. As for their leaders...well the Lord called the religious temple leaders of His day..."fools and blind."

For those of us who have been called to see, hear  and bring the message for this hour...His bread of life and living water is food to our spirit man Charlie.

Tatwo...:)

[Charlie744]

19 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Generally speaking...the religious folks which are the ones likely...of anyone...to read and study your commentary...typically don't like anything new. They like what they like...they don't like to have to change...this goes for the leaders and the congregations.

Most of what these folks believe today...was from 100...200...500 years ago or more...the general assembly of the religious are raised on "yesterdays manna." 

On top of that and in general...they are blind and deaf to ever emerging revelation as it disturbs the "norm." Yes there are those few who hear the voice of the Shephard and will follow Him...however...typically and generally in the religious structure very little changes in terms of doctrine or belief structure. 

Additionally their "church mother" has worked hard to make them comfortable in their unrealized blindness and deafness. As for their leaders...well the Lord called the religious temple leaders of His day..."fools and blind."

For those of us who have been called to see, hear  and bring the message for this hour...His bread of life and living water is food to our spirit man Charlie.

Tatwo...:)

As I have mentioned before, you have a gift in communication! Very nice. 
Charlie 

[farouk]

20 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I believe both verses are referring to the Messiah. 
 

I look forward to seeing how / why you brought these two verses into this… appreciate it! Charlie 

Good to be able to see Christ as the central theme of Scripture, indeed.........