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But who the heck is perfect??? I mean its not fair, I can love Jesus but if I mess up just a little by like not totally forgiving someone or something then I will be tortured in hell forever???? Not fair!!!!

Well, Jesus explained this clearly in this parable:

Matthew 18:28- 35 But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, 'Pay me what you owe!' 29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.' 30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?' 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."

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Luke 6:37 Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

We ask God to "forgive us our trespasses/debts as we forgive those who trespass against us/our debtors..."

If we are unwilling to forgive, how can we ask God to forgive us?

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But who the heck is perfect??? I mean its not fair, I can love Jesus but if I mess up just a little by like not totally forgiving someone or something then I will be tortured in hell forever???? Not fair!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!

if we were perfect, we would not have needed Christ to come and save us from it...

there is only one condition, and that is we Believe that Christ is our Savior, and accept Him as our Lord ( follow His Ways ).....

as Christ stated, There are none that are good, and that no one will get to the Father except through Him ( Jesus ).

those that do not have Christ, do not have Life, but Death.

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But who the heck is perfect??? I mean its not fair, I can love Jesus but if I mess up just a little by like not totally forgiving someone or something then I will be tortured in hell forever???? Not fair!!!!

Jesus was perfect. That's why we needed Him to die on the cross for our sins before we would be worthy to enter heaven. Is it fair that He had to die for our sins?

How do you love Jesus? Words alone are meaningless. The Bible says that you will know a person by the fruit they produce. What do your actions say? Why can't you forgive someone completely? Wouldn't you want to be forgiven completely? The Bible says that if you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven. We can never be totally perfect, that's why we cling to Him and rely on Him daily.

Being a Christian is not about just believing in Him. Even the devil believes in Him. We have to live out our faith before others.

It sure would be nice if you could respond to some of the many answers people have taken the time to write to you. You've been asking a lot of questions, but we haven't heard anything else from you. We care about you and are concerned about you. How do you feel about some of these answers? Is there anything else we can do to help you? :huh:


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None of you are getting my point---why shouldnt there be a third option of just not existing anymore---why must i choose God or br tortured in hell eternally? why, when he made me?


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None of you are getting my point---why shouldnt there be a third option of just not existing anymore---why must i choose God or br tortured in hell eternally? why, when he made me?

Hi,

It seems u r angry about the whole thing, I used 2 b the same b4 i trully got born again and learnt 2 change my thinking. I used 2 b like, why would God create me in this world and on top of that i have 2 live spiritually when am actually in the flesh?

Well; there r just things u cannot argue out because, well; God is God. All u have 2 do is now live according 2 his will and get 2 heaven. That is where ur forcus should b now, not why he did that or the other; because at the end of it all, its either heaven or hell.

Stop looking at the negative side of life but the positive.

God Bless!!!


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Why not omit all human rationale & simply BELIEVE God when He offers a real literal Heaven to bless and a real literal Hell to shun? Or might you think both are figments of Deity's imagination? Second-guessing the Lord Jesus Christ is hardly acceptable behavior for those who claim His Name and profess Him as Sovereign Lord & Saviour, no?

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None of you are getting my point---why shouldnt there be a third option of just not existing anymore---why must i choose God or br tortured in hell eternally? why, when he made me?

Why if He made you would you and you actually believe that, would you not choose Him?

But if you are arguing against God, you should simply start with scripture. What do you see in Holy Scripture that would support a torture type hell, and what do you see in Holy Scripture, which would support simply annihilation? I can find both types of descriptions, which tells me we don't really understand hell, beyond not wanting to go there.

But salvation won't be a multiple choice test, either we are with Christ or we are not, how could it be otherwise? If we had multiple options, then Christ's sacrifice on the cross was limited; it really was not worth very much, yet Christ does not discriminate, He didn't come to save some and not others.

Why would someone choose to "lesser" hell, if they believed in Christ?


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None of you are getting my point---why shouldnt there be a third option of just not existing anymore---why must i choose God or br tortured in hell eternally? why, when he made me?

"Should"...according to who?

There should not be anything which is not part of God's plan. Thus there is no third choice. Were a "third option" part of His plan there most certainly would be one. But there is not. He is God and He has decided what there will be and what there won't be. You can go round and round all day about whether there should or should not be another choice, another way. At the end of the day, though, your soul will be required of you and you must have chosen. There is no plainer way I know to say it.

In Christ,

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None of you are getting my point---why shouldnt there be a third option of just not existing anymore---why must i choose God or br tortured in hell eternally? why, when he made me?

Greetings Daughter of King,

What price are you worth? You know what God thinks?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

If you were the ONLY person which ever existed, Jesus would have died for you, that is how much God loves YOU! Consider:

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 3:16-19 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

By these verses and many more God is telling YOU that He loves YOU beyond your own comprehension.

How much does He love Jesus? Enough to send Him to die for you.

With such a great reward for those who are willing and desire to follow Christ, what should be the penalty for those who reject Him, even hate Him? Nothingness? So a person lives a corrupt life, evil in every way and they appear to escape all punishment from within this world or from above. Is God not a Just God? What is Justice? Tell me that. We have a whole life to learn to do right and to follow Christ. God is very patient with us and there have been many death bed confessions of Jesus Christ, because God wishes that NONE SHOULD PERISH.

So knowing all this, why do you doubt? Why do you not believe that God is fair in His judgments?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie


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None of you are getting my point---why shouldnt there be a third option of just not existing anymore---why must i choose God or br tortured in hell eternally? why, when he made me?

Why would you want to be with God after life on Earth if you don't want life with God while on this Earth?

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