The Unity of Faith.....What do you believe?

[farouk]

16 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Tradition can be a great thing as it binds families together but concerning the Body of Christ it must be based on scripture therefore it requires a scriptural foundation, a beginning. Would you say "believers baptism" began with the Baptist or did it have an earlier foundation? 

Hi @Cntrysner It was practised clearly in Acts 2.41 by the early church. This is believer's baptism for Christians.

Previously, the baptism of John was one of repentance before the Lord Jesus was manifest.

[Cntrysner]

3 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Now for the second part of your question - `how does the Lord use it to build His Body, with scripture.

God has ordained, that by means of the ordinance, He would communicate a rich impartation. It is the divine motive that eyes should be opened to truth. Through the form of service provided, the candidate sees in a more vivid manner than ever the truth of faith union with Christ in death and resurrection.

`Buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God who raised Him from the dead. ` (Col. 2: 12)

It is a living and lasting pictorial representation of the vital principles of spiritual life. That these should be thus etched indelibly upon our hearts is a matter for real gratitude. 

This service is set forth that hearts might be opened to obedience. `To obey is better than sacrifice. ` The act of water baptism presents an opportunity for exact obedience on the part of the believer. This pattern obedience sets a standard right at the threshold of Christian life.

The divine approval increase our sense of realisation. This need seems to gather up all that has been known about Calvary and the Risen Life in the moment of the portrayal of the ordinance and carries it forward in deeper realisation. This, of course, depends upon the measure of faith and insight of the one baptised.

Water Baptism increases our scope of appropriation. The obedient disciple is able to appropriate more of God and of His blessing. Faith brings its own larger reward. 

It increases our spirit of jubilation. There is real joy in obedience. The heart sings when completely yield to the Lord`s plan. 

Ref. these are just some notes from my former pastor - W.A.C. Rowe.

I know your heart was in what you were taught to be a divine ordinance as is your love for family tradition but it must be proved with scripture.

The scripture you shared, Col. 2:12, is an operation of God by the Spirit that places us into the Body of Christ it is not a pictorial water immersion that occured after the fact.

Luk 12:50  But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 
Luk 12:51  Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 

Rom 6:3  Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 
Rom 6:4  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 

Death baptism

For us there is one baptism which Christ accomplished at the cross and when we believed that His shed blood was for our remission of sins we were immediately placed by the Spirit into His Body and received newness of life.

Paul revealed this truth to us in the Body by the one Spirit there is one hope and it is in one Lord and one faith and one Baptism. 

Eph 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 
Eph 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 
 

[steve morrow]

UNITY  OF  THE  SPIRIT  --  YOURS  OR  GODS

 

EZEKIEL 13:22  because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad and strengthened the hands of the wicked that he should not return from his wicked way by promising him life

 

FROM  GODS  SPIRIT:

COVETOUSNESS / IDOLATRY 

 

PSALM 119:36  incline my heart unto thy testimonies and not to covetousness 

EZEKIEL 33:31  and they come unto thee as the people cometh and they sit before thee as my people and they hear thy words but they will not do them for with their mouth they show much love but their heart goeth after their covetousness

EPHESIANS 5:5  for this you know that no whoremonger nor unclean person ***nor covetous man*** who is an idolator*** hath any inheritance in the kingdom of CHRIST  AND  OF  GOD

 

THE  WOMAN 

1 TIMOTHY 2:11  let the woman learn in silence with all subjection

--2:12-- but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence

1 CORINTHIANS 11:3  but I would have you know that the head of every man is  CHRIST  and the head of the woman is the man and the head of  CHRIST  IS  GOD

1 CORINTHIANS 14:34  let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law 

--14:35-- and if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for women to speak in the church 

 

THE  WORD  OF  GOD 

REVELATION 22:18  for I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book if any man shall add unto these things  GOD  shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book 

--22:19--  and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy  GOD  shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book

ACTS 5:20  GO  STAND  AND  SPEAK  IN  THE  TEMPLE  TO  THE  PEOPLE  ALL  THE  WORDS  OF  THIS  LIFE 

 

GRACE

TITUS 1:1  paul a servant of  GOD  and an apostle of  JESUS  CHRIST  according to the faith of  GODS  elect and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness

2:11  for the grace of  GOD  that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men 

--2:12-- teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world

1 TIMOTHY 6:6  BUT  GODLINESS  WITH  CONTENTMENT  IS  GREAT  GAIN

 

REQUIRED 

1 CORINTHIANS 4:2  moreover it is required in stewards that a man be found faithful

PSALM 119:138  thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very faithful 

PSALM 119:86  all thy commandments are faithful they persecute me wrongfully help thou me 

 

JUDGMENT

PSALM 149:9  to execute upon them the judgment written this honor have all  HIS  saints  PRAISE  YOU  THE  LORD 

JOHN 12:48  he that rejecteth  ME  and receiveth not  MY  words  hath one that judgeth him the word that I have spoken the same shall him in the last day

1 CORINTHIANS 5:12  for what have I to do to judge them also that are without do not you judge them that are within 

--5:13--  but them that are without  GOD  judgeth therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person

1 CORINTHIANS 1:10  now I beseech you brethren by the name of our  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  that you all speak the same thing and that there be  --NO  DIVISIONS--  among you but that you be perfectly joined together in --THE  SAME  MIND   ---   AND  IN  THE  SAME  JUDGMENT

 

OBEDIENCE  HEAVEN -- DISOBEDIENCE  HELL-- TO  EACH  A  CHOICE 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

[RdJ]

2 hours ago, steve morrow said:

 

1 CORINTHIANS 14:34  let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law 

--14:35-- and if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for women to speak in the church 

Which law says that?

I asked some Messianic Jews because I don't know all these O.T. laws. They said there is no such law. It's from the Talmud. A woman's voice is sexually provocative. Paul was telling these dominant men off here that it didnt only reach them and he also told women to prophesy. There were female apostles who worked alongside him. One had a church at home.

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by RdJ

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What Spirit? Please. 

Capital `S` indicates the Holy Spirit.

[Marilyn C]

13 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Tradition can be a great thing as it binds families together but concerning the Body of Christ it must be based on scripture therefore it requires a scriptural foundation, a beginning. Would you say "believers baptism" began with the Baptist or did it have an earlier foundation? 

I would say it started with the early Apostles as scripture indicates. Then as Paul said after him would come `savage wolves & false teachers,` and thus error came in for many centuries. The Baptists were those who had a revelation of that truth by the Holy Spirit and stood for it. 

Many other great truths have been clarified over the centuries and today we have access to all of them. praise the Lord. This reveals to me that the Holy Spirit has just about brought the Body of Christ to full maturity of the truth of Christ - His character and His purposes.

[Marilyn C]

12 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

I know your heart was in what you were taught to be a divine ordinance as is your love for family tradition but it must be proved with scripture.

The scripture you shared, Col. 2:12, is an operation of God by the Spirit that places us into the Body of Christ it is not a pictorial water immersion that occured after the fact.

Luk 12:50  But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 
Luk 12:51  Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 

Rom 6:3  Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 
Rom 6:4  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 

Death baptism

For us there is one baptism which Christ accomplished at the cross and when we believed that His shed blood was for our remission of sins we were immediately placed by the Spirit into His Body and received newness of life.

Paul revealed this truth to us in the Body by the one Spirit there is one hope and it is in one Lord and one faith and one Baptism. 

Eph 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 
Eph 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 
 

I hear what you are saying Cntrysner, and will take some time to meditate on that.

Thank you.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, Marilyn C said:

Capital `S` indicates the Holy Spirit.

Capital or not capital if someone says the Holy Spirit we understand because when we speak we say the Holy Spirit without saying with capital S and if we talk about the Holy Spirit and then we say the Spirit we understand that it is about the Holy Spirit. But in the context of the post I question it could be about unity in another Spirit as in the unitity of the doctrinal Spirit what may be. Every religion in the world are in the unity of their Spirit(s). This is why the disciple said test the Spirits that they are working in man if they are from God. A believer in his ignorance may give a message that's is not from the Holy Spirit even from his own understanding that does not mean that he is not Ssved but only that what he is talking about is not in accordance with the truth. 

[Marilyn C]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Capital or not capital if someone says the Holy Spirit we understand because when we speak we say the Holy Spirit without saying with capital S and if we talk about the Holy Spirit and then we say the Spirit we understand that it is about the Holy Spirit. But in the context of the post I question it could be about unity in another Spirit as in the unitity of the doctrinal Spirit what may be. Every religion in the world are in the unity of their Spirit(s). This is why the disciple said test the Spirits that they are working in man if they are from God. A believer in his ignorance may give a message that's is not from the Holy Spirit even from his own understanding that does not mean that he is not Ssved but only that what he is talking about is not in accordance with the truth. 

I hear what you are saying.

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, steve morrow said:

 

THE  WOMAN 

1 TIMOTHY 2:11  let the woman learn in silence with all subjection

--2:12-- but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence

Just on that point there Steve, `in silence,` means in the Greek - not meddlesome and `to have authority over` is not to usurp. The English does not give the right meaning. Good to check the original - Greek.