Should the church apologize to atheists?

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

He is King of Kings.

He is Lord of Lords. He is creator of all that has been created.

Shalom, Neighbor.

This is a common misconception among well-meaning Christians. Have you actually looked up the occurrences of these titles?

The title "King of kings" is found in Ezra 7:12 referring to Artaxerxes of Persia; Ezekiel 26:7, referring to Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and Daniel 2:37, referring to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. It's a term that means a King over other kings; that is, he is an Emperor!

More importantly, it is also found in 1 Timothy 6:15 and Revelation 17:14 and 19:16.

The title "Lord of lords" is found in Deuteronomy 10:17, referring to YHWH God; and Psalm 136:3, also referring to YHWH God.

Again, it is also found in 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14 and Revelation 19:16.

Here, this title refers to a Master of masters, an OVERLORD! This is also talking about the superior mastery of YHWH God! It is also associated with the title "God of gods!" that is a God over all other lesser gods.

Let's look at the New Testament occurrences:

1 Timothy 6:11-16 (KJV)

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and [before] Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep [this] commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

So, the Messiah Yeeshuwa` (Christ Jesus) :"shall show [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; who only has immortality, DWELLING IN THE LIGHT WHICH NO MAN CAN APPROACH UNTO; WHOM NO MAN HATH SEEN, NOR CAN SEE!"

So, Yeeshuwa` REVEALS that the King of kings and Lord of lords is YHWH GOD, His Father!

Revelation 17:12-14 (KJV)

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

This follows Revelation 11:

Revelation 11:15 (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded (trumpeted); and there were great (loud) voices in heaven (in the sky), saying, 

"The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD, and of his Christ (Messiah); and he (the LORD) shall reign for ever and ever!"

The Messiah shall be PUT IN CHARGE of God's Kingdom, because He is God's MESSIAH, God's ANOINTED ONE to represent Him as King!

So, Revelation 17 shows that God has placed His Son, Yeeshuwa` the Messiah, in His role as King of Kings - the World Emperor - until all of His enemies are subdued! This matches with 1 Corinthians 15:23-28, Luke 1:30-33, Psalm 2:1-12, and with our final passage, Revelation 19:11-16:

Revelation 19:11-16 (KJV)

11 And I saw heaven (the sky) opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called "Faithful (Trustworthy)" and "True," and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns (head over many nations); and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called "The Word of God."

14 And the armies [which were] in heaven (in the sky) followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God (His FATHER). 16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Also, these verses are supported by Yeeshuwa`s own words in Matthew 25:31 and Luke 19:11-15:

Matthew 25:31 (KJV)

31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: ..."

Luke 19:11-15 (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman (Himself) went into a far country TO RECEIVE FOR HIMSELF A KINGDOM, AND TO RETURN. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them,

"'Occupy till I come.'

14 "But his citizens (the Pharisees)  hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,

"'We will not have this [man] to reign over us!'

15 "And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, THEN he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. ..."

The conclusion is this: Yeeshuwa` is NOT CURRENTLY REIGNING! He will begin His reign AFTER He has returned to earth!

Furthermore, there is a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between Yeeshuwa`, the Son of God, and YHWH God, His Father! Many Christians are SO enamored with the doctrine of the Trinity, that they FAIL to recognize this difference! They gloss over the significance because they see Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") as "God the Son," even though that title is NEVER used in the Scriptures! It comes SOLELY from theology or theological philosophy! However, Yeeshuwa` HIMSELF noted the differences between Himself and His Father! Read John 5 for how Yeeshuwa` noted the difference!

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

" Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; and art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Context is everything. Why was Paul making these points in Romans 2? To whom was he speaking? In his first letter to the Corinthians, he also said,

1 Corinthians 6:1-11 (KJV)

1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:
neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves,
nor covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are WASHED, but ye are SANCTIFIED, but ye are JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[choir loft]

On 6/13/2024 at 1:16 PM, RdJ said:

He had a dream in the 80s about the trib and because of it he got saved. In the dream his head got cut off. He's now in heaven. He saw I think it was 10 places or zones in America. Over the world he saw places instantly get saved and others went in darkness. It is in Revelation the uncountable multitude. He knew nothing about it. He just got a dream.

Jesus said Sodom would have repented if those miracles had happened there, so there's hope.

 

My daughter and son in law visited NYC a few weeks ago.  

They were cautioned by New Yorkers to NOT ride the trains (subways) because they are too dangerous.   They walked quickly through Times Square and decided they wouldn't go near there again.  Times square is full of filthy weed smoke, needles and panhandlers.  It stinks - literally.

I visited my uncle in Danville, CA. recently.  

Thinking it would be a good idea to take the Metro light rail commuter train into San Francisco from Danville to do some sightseeing, I was told not to go there.  All the station platforms are full of homeless, feces, needles and assorted small criminal types.  The downtown areas is littered with closed store fronts. He showed me other places to visit.

The same is true for every major city in the United States and many medium sized ones.  America used to be a country with beautiful cities, but no more.  Filth and criminal activity rule the land.

No miracle ever performed on earth could reverse the trends that have seized a country that's become godless - America.

We have falsely persuaded ourselves that if we pray for heaven's help there will be a reversal of our fortunes.  That is a false hope today, because America doesn't want heaven's help, neither does it or any church want to abide by or respect God's Holy LAW.  Being thus convinced that lawlessness is the way, we are sinking into our own filth and decay.  God will not help those who turn their backs upon Him and disrespect Him at every opportunity.

Dreams notwithstanding, the Tribulation has already happened.  

Antisemitic gentiles refuse to acknowledge the crime against humanity that was perpetrated in the Holocaust as well as its historic significance in any form of eschatology.  This is one reason why I left the church.  There are far too many bloodthirsty unjust church types that simply will not lose their hatred of Jews and their false notions of what is COMING upon us.

Its long past time when our churches should preach REPENTANCE, but the major denominations refuse to do so.  I've spoken to preachers and ministers who've told me its not the kind of subject they want to speak about. 

America shall have its reward and it will be a shocker when it arrives.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...  (Isaiah 6:9-10)

Edited June 15, 2024 by choir loft

[RdJ]

16 hours ago, choir loft said:

Dreams notwithstanding, the Tribulation has already happened.  

Antisemitic gentiles refuse to acknowledge the crime against humanity that was perpetrated in the Holocaust as well as its historic significance in any form of eschatology.  This is one reason why I left the church.  There are far too many bloodthirsty unjust church types that simply will not lose their hatred of Jews and their false notions of what is COMING upon us.

Its long past time when our churches should preach REPENTANCE, but the major denominations refuse to do so.  I've spoken to preachers and ministers who've told me its not the kind of subject they want to speak about. 

America shall have its reward and it will be a shocker when it arrives.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...  (Isaiah 6:9-10)

I know that there are antisemetic replacement theologies. Michael Brown warns against that. 

Or you mean those that say that there will be another holocaust? Yes that is so crazy. I don't understand that.

That's what another prophecy says from a 90 y o woman from Valdres in the 60s.

 

https://www.jesus4all.dk/the-valdres-woman11

An old woman of 90 from Valdres in Norway had a vision from God in 1968. The evangelist Emanuel Minos had meetings (services) where she lived. He had the opportunity to meet her, and she told him what she had seen. He wrote it down, but thought it to be so unintelligible that he put it in a drawer. Now, almost 30 years later, he understands he has to share the vision with others.

The woman from Valdres was a very alert, reliable, awake and credible Christian, with a good reputation among all who knew her. This is what she saw:

"I saw the time just before the coming of Jesus and the outbreak of the Third World War. I saw the events with my natural eyes. I saw the world like a kind of a globe and saw Europe, land by land. I saw Scandinavia. I saw Norway. I saw certain things that would take place just before the return of Jesus, and just before the last calamity happens, a calamity the likes of which we have never before experienced.

She mentioned four waves:

1. "First before Jesus comes and before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘détente’ like we have never had before. There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace. (Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos) In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries, also in Norway and we are not prepared when it (the war) comes. The Third World War will begin in a way no one would have anticipated - and from an unexpected place.

2. "A lukewarmness without parallel will take hold of the Christians, a falling away from true, living Christianity. Christians will not be open for penetrating preaching. They will not, like in earlier times, want to hear of sin and grace, law and gospel, repentance and restoration. There will come a substitute instead: prosperity (happiness) Christianity.

"The important thing will be to have success, to be something; to have material things, things that God never promised us in this way. Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier. Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations -like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, - entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival. This will increase markedly just before the return of Jesus.

3. "There will be a moral disintegration that old Norway has never experienced the likes of. People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural (the common), and it will be justified from every angle. It will even enter Christian circles and we pet it - even sin against nature. Just before Jesus return there will be TV- programs like we have never experienced. (TV had just arrived in Norway in 1968. E. Minos)

"TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.) TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate things that takes place in a marriage." (I protested and said, we have a paragraph that forbids this kind of thing. E. Minos.) There the old woman said: "It will happen, and you will see it. All we have had before will be broken down, and 

the most indecent things will pass before our eyes."

4. "People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War. Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)

The tears streamed from the old woman’s eyes down her cheeks. "I will not see it, but you will. Then suddenly, Jesus will come and the Third World War breaks out. It will be a short war." (She saw it in the vision.)

"All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations. The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.

"I am so glad that I will not see it, but when the time draws near, you must take courage and tell this. I have received it from God, and nothing of it goes against what the Bible tells.

"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe."

 

[choir loft]

On 6/16/2024 at 6:55 AM, RdJ said:

I know that there are antisemetic replacement theologies. Michael Brown warns against that. 

Or you mean those that say that there will be another holocaust? Yes that is so crazy. I don't understand that.

That's what another prophecy says from a 90 y o woman from Valdres in the 60s.

 

https://www.jesus4all.dk/the-valdres-woman11

An old woman of 90 from Valdres in Norway had a vision from God in 1968. The evangelist Emanuel Minos had meetings (services) where she lived. He had the opportunity to meet her, and she told him what she had seen. He wrote it down, but thought it to be so unintelligible that he put it in a drawer. Now, almost 30 years later, he understands he has to share the vision with others.

The woman from Valdres was a very alert, reliable, awake and credible Christian, with a good reputation among all who knew her. This is what she saw:

"I saw the time just before the coming of Jesus and the outbreak of the Third World War. I saw the events with my natural eyes. I saw the world like a kind of a globe and saw Europe, land by land. I saw Scandinavia. I saw Norway. I saw certain things that would take place just before the return of Jesus, and just before the last calamity happens, a calamity the likes of which we have never before experienced.

She mentioned four waves:

1. "First before Jesus comes and before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘détente’ like we have never had before. There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace. (Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos) In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries, also in Norway and we are not prepared when it (the war) comes. The Third World War will begin in a way no one would have anticipated - and from an unexpected place.

2. "A lukewarmness without parallel will take hold of the Christians, a falling away from true, living Christianity. Christians will not be open for penetrating preaching. They will not, like in earlier times, want to hear of sin and grace, law and gospel, repentance and restoration. There will come a substitute instead: prosperity (happiness) Christianity.

"The important thing will be to have success, to be something; to have material things, things that God never promised us in this way. Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier. Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations -like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, - entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival. This will increase markedly just before the return of Jesus.

3. "There will be a moral disintegration that old Norway has never experienced the likes of. People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural (the common), and it will be justified from every angle. It will even enter Christian circles and we pet it - even sin against nature. Just before Jesus return there will be TV- programs like we have never experienced. (TV had just arrived in Norway in 1968. E. Minos)

"TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.) TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate things that takes place in a marriage." (I protested and said, we have a paragraph that forbids this kind of thing. E. Minos.) There the old woman said: "It will happen, and you will see it. All we have had before will be broken down, and 

the most indecent things will pass before our eyes."

4. "People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War. Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)

The tears streamed from the old woman’s eyes down her cheeks. "I will not see it, but you will. Then suddenly, Jesus will come and the Third World War breaks out. It will be a short war." (She saw it in the vision.)

"All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations. The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.

"I am so glad that I will not see it, but when the time draws near, you must take courage and tell this. I have received it from God, and nothing of it goes against what the Bible tells.

"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe."

 

Visions and dreams do NOT  replace accepted interpretation of scripture.

This includes popular Dispensationalist theories as well as a lot of secularized predictions now accepted by the post-modern church.

WWII was the most violent destructive war in human history.   Over 85 Million human beings died during those years, including six million Jews.  Are you honestly suggesting we should look forward to more such war, more destruction and more meaningless loss of life?  Only those who hate humanity and love war would welcome such a scenario.  I absolutely reject such an interpretation...such a possibility.

IF PEACEMAKERS ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHOSE CHILDREN ARE THOSE WHO MAKE WAR?

Isn't there enough militarization going on right now without hoping and praying for more?  Indeed, there is far too much.  Nobody talks about peace any more.  Nobody wants it, even in our churches.  Among those people the popular idea is to look forward to more war....with the false hope that they will somehow be excused from it.  They won't.

If any foreign minister begins to defend to the death a 'peace conference,' you can be sure his government has already placed its orders for new battleships and airplanes. (Joseph Stalin)

Every industrialized nation on this planet is heavily engaged in the manufacture and production of war material.   The sale of equipment and ammunition is greater than at any other time in history.  

In the 1990's when Soviet Communism collapsed, America began to look for somebody else to attack.  911 was conjured out of 1960's war plans (Operation Northwoods - rejected by President Kennedy at the time) and put in action.  The result was the current state of endless war in which America is deeply involved (USA now engaged in 6 to 8 wars and shadow wars as of this writing).  It's wrecking our economy and our hope for the future.  

When Jesus arrives on this planet His administration will be VERY unpopular because He will bring peace.   Think about that.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft..... (Isaiah 6:9-10)

 

Edited June 17, 2024 by choir loft

[RdJ]

13 hours ago, choir loft said:

Visions and dreams do NOT  replace accepted interpretation of scripture.

This includes popular Dispensationalist theories as well as a lot of secularized predictions now accepted by the post-modern church.

WWII was the most violent destructive war in human history.   Over 85 Million human beings died during those years, including six million Jews.  Are you honestly suggesting we should look forward to more such war, more destruction and more meaningless loss of life?  Only those who hate humanity and love war would welcome such a scenario.  I absolutely reject such an interpretation...such a possibility.

IF PEACEMAKERS ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHOSE CHILDREN ARE THOSE WHO MAKE WAR?

Isn't there enough militarization going on right now without hoping and praying for more?  Indeed, there is far too much.  Nobody talks about peace any more.  Nobody wants it, even in our churches.  Among those people the popular idea is to look forward to more war....with the false hope that they will somehow be excused from it.  They won't.

If any foreign minister begins to defend to the death a 'peace conference,' you can be sure his government has already placed its orders for new battleships and airplanes. (Joseph Stalin)

Every industrialized nation on this planet is heavily engaged in the manufacture and production of war material.   The sale of equipment and ammunition is greater than at any other time in history.  

In the 1990's when Soviet Communism collapsed, America began to look for somebody else to attack.  911 was conjured out of 1960's war plans (Operation Northwoods - rejected by President Kennedy at the time) and put in action.  The result was the current state of endless war in which America is deeply involved (USA now engaged in 6 to 8 wars and shadow wars as of this writing).  It's wrecking our economy and our hope for the future.  

When Jesus arrives on this planet His administration will be VERY unpopular because He will bring peace.   Think about that.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft..... (Isaiah 6:9-10)

 

Everyone wants peace in my country. We were neutral in WWI, tried to be neutral in WWII. It's not obliged to go to the army anymore since the 90s or so. Disarmament, just like that woman from Norway said.

It doesn't matter what anyone wants. Jesus already said there will be wars. If Russia attacks Israel in the end He will kill them.

[Neighbor]

13 hours ago, choir loft said:

IF PEACEMAKERS ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHOSE CHILDREN ARE THOSE WHO MAKE WAR?

They are one and the same.

The warrior is the peacemaker as well as the peace keeper.

[RdJ]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

They are one and the same.

The warrior is the peacemaker as well as the peace keeper.

They stopped Hitler.

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