When was Satan cast out of heaven down to the earth?

[RdJ]

On 6/12/2024 at 4:06 AM, BlindSeeker said:

 

Here we are told of an awesome war which occurred in heaven, a war which many, (for what reason I do not know nor understand), believe has yet to take place. But in light of what we have heard from the words of Jesus prior to His going to the cross, and what we read in this passage in Revelation, “her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne… And there was war in heaven,” it seems evident therefore that this war occurred either at Christ’s death on the cross, His resurrection, or perhaps maybe as late as the time of His ascension from the mount. However, I am most inclined to believe it was most probably at the time of His completed work on the cross, when He stated, “It is finished.”

John 19:28 – …Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst.” ²⁹ Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop, and raised it up to His mouth. ³⁰ When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, “It is finished,” and bowed his head and gave up the ghost.

Colossians 2:13 – And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all your trespasses. ¹⁴ Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, by nailing it to His cross, ¹⁵ For having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a show of them openly and triumphed over them upon the cross.

Blessings

They do have power if evil people like Hitler give them power‭. His enemies are not yet made to His footstool because He is patient and waits for the harvest.

Ephesians 6:12 NKJV‬
[12] For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 

https://bible.com/bible/114/eph.6.12.NKJV

[Stewardofthemystery]

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

"Trinity" is also not in the Scriptures;  But as we know we have the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is a Trinity.  So your belief falls on its face.

I don’t use the term “Trinity” either because it is not written.😊

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The "7 year Tribulation" also does not have to be worded as such:  Dan 9:24 - Seventy Sevens are decreed (490 years); which is divided into 7- Sevens then 62 - Sevens, and lastly a 1 - Seven.  One Seven, not a sum of 7.

(3 1/2 + 3 1/2) is a One Seven, but is not equal to or the same as 3 1/2 + 3 1/2 which the sum total is 7, but not a One Seven.  The brackets provide oneness.

The assumption is being made that the 70 weeks of Daniel had not been fulfilled.  That is the first error.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

v27 - And he will confirm a covenant with many for One Seven (7 continuous years), and in the middle of the Seven he will cease sacrifices and offerings and set up the A/D. ( the dividing point).

Jesus Christ(Messiah the Prince) is the One who confirmed the New Covenant in His apostles and disciples in that final 7 years.  And Jesus is the one who announced the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in that final 7.

The 70 weeks prophecy was “fulfilled” before the AOD was “fulfilled,” as these 2 separate events are 40 years apart.  The second error is to try to “combine the timeline” of these 2 separate events together, and make them into “a future” 7 year trib, mid trib rapture doctrine that is based on nothing more than a wild imagination and a total lack of understanding in the words of God.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Rev 13:5 - and he will exercise his authority for 42 months. v.10 - If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go, If anyone is to be killed with a sword, with a sword he will be killed.  Some have Tribulation here for the first 42 months.

Daniels 70 week prophecy, and the AOD have nothing to do with that.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Rev 12: 13-15 - The Dragon saw that he had been hurled to earth,.. he pursued the woman for 42 months. 

If one does not have the MOB, he cannot buy or sell. Many have Tribulation for the second 42 months.

My Op proves by the words of Jesus “when”the Dragon/Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.  So that event also started many, many years ago.  And the “mark”of the man/ beast is “sin” and that has been around for thousands of years.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

(Some Tribulation for 3 1/2 years +Much Tribulation for 3 1/2 years) is Seven years of Tribulation.

In Christ

Montana Marv

There is no mention of a “7 year tribulation” it is based on taking parts and pieces of past “fulfilled”prophecy like Daniels 70 weeks and the AOD and constructing a “future” prophecy based on error after error.

[Stewardofthemystery]

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

"Trinity" is also not in the Scriptures;  But as we know we have the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is a Trinity.  So your belief falls on its face.

I don’t use the term “Trinity” either because it is not written.😊

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The "7 year Tribulation" also does not have to be worded as such:  Dan 9:24 - Seventy Sevens are decreed (490 years); which is divided into 7- Sevens then 62 - Sevens, and lastly a 1 - Seven.  One Seven, not a sum of 7.

(3 1/2 + 3 1/2) is a One Seven, but is not equal to or the same as 3 1/2 + 3 1/2 which the sum total is 7, but not a One Seven.  The brackets provide oneness.

The assumption is being made that the 70 weeks of Daniel had not been fulfilled.  That is the first error.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

v27 - And he will confirm a covenant with many for One Seven (7 continuous years), and in the middle of the Seven he will cease sacrifices and offerings and set up the A/D. ( the dividing point).

Jesus Christ(Messiah the Prince) is the One who confirmed the New Covenant in His apostles and disciples in that final 7 years.  And Jesus is the one who announced the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in that final 7.

The 70 weeks prophecy was “fulfilled” before the AOD was “fulfilled,” as these 2 separate events are 40 years apart.  The second error is to try to “combine the timeline” of these 2 separate events together, and make them into “a future” 7 year trib, mid trib rapture doctrine that is based on nothing more than a wild imagination and a total lack of understanding in the words of God.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Rev 13:5 - and he will exercise his authority for 42 months. v.10 - If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go, If anyone is to be killed with a sword, with a sword he will be killed.  Some have Tribulation here for the first 42 months.

Daniels 70 week prophecy, and the AOD have nothing to do with that.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Rev 12: 13-15 - The Dragon saw that he had been hurled to earth,.. he pursued the woman for 42 months. 

If one does not have the MOB, he cannot buy or sell. Many have Tribulation for the second 42 months.

My Op proves by the words of Jesus “when”the Dragon/Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.  So that event also started many, many years ago.  And the “mark”of the man/ beast is “sin” and that has been around for thousands of years.

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

(Some Tribulation for 3 1/2 years +Much Tribulation for 3 1/2 years) is Seven years of Tribulation.

In Christ

Montana Marv

There is no mention of a “7 year tribulation” it is based on taking parts and pieces of past “fulfilled”prophecy like Daniels 70 weeks and the AOD and constructing a “future” prophecy based on error after error.

[Stewardofthemystery]

6/11/2024 at 9:06 PM,  BlindSeekersaid:

 

“Here we are told of an awesome war which occurred in heaven, a war which many, (for what reason I do not know nor understand), believe has yet to take place”

(End quote)

I’ll tell you why they do not believe the words of Jesus.  Number 1 they do not understand.

Number 2 is that they would rather hold to a false doctrine than admit the words of Jesus are true.

If they were to believe what Jesus said was true about “the timing” of “when” Satan was cast out of heaven down to earth, then it would throw a wrench in their false doctrine “timeline.”

So in order to preserve the lie, they reject the Truth.  Anything that speaks against their “timeline” of events is rejected by them.  This is why they say the 70 weeks of Daniel is not fulfilled, and the AOD is not yet fulfilled because it messes up their false doctrine “timeline”.

That time of 1,260 days or 42 months is one of the biggest stumbling blocks in both preterist doctrine s futurist doctrine because they can only view time as being literal, as they take it at “face value,”because they judge by “outward appearances.”

As the “natural man” only knows what he knows “naturally” and in those things he corrupts himself.

And so they have constructed a doctrine based on a small window of time, in which all past, present, and future prophecy has to fit into this small window of time they have constructed from several parts and pieces of scripture.

That is why they reject anything that exposes an error in their “timeline”

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

There is no mention of a “7 year tribulation” it is based on taking parts and pieces of past “fulfilled”prophecy like Daniels 70 weeks and the AOD and constructing a “future” prophecy based on error after error.

The error after error is saying this prophecy is past, nothing further from the truth.

The 70 - Sevens are a prophetic timeline for the salvation of Israel.  Daniel's people (those of the 12 tribes) and Daniel's holy city (Jerusalem) have yet to partake in any of the 6 tasks bestowed on them.  We are just waiting for "On That Day" to come in the future.  One more prophetic week remains.

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

My Op proves by the words of Jesus “when”the Dragon/Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.  So that event also started many, many years ago.  And the “mark”of the man/ beast is “sin” and that has been around for thousands of years.

We are not on the same page.  I see you can still buy and sell, so does that mean you have the MOB? Rev 13:17

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Daniels 70 week prophecy, and the AOD have nothing to do with that.

This is the onset of the 70th Week, which lead to the A/D at the midpoint of the Week.

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Jesus Christ(Messiah the Prince) is the One who confirmed the New Covenant in His apostles and disciples in that final 7 years.  And Jesus is the one who announced the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in that final 7

The new covenant is in His blood, been going on for 2000 years.  Jesus forecast the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.  Then some time after that is when someone makes a covenant with many.  Has not happened yet.

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The 70 weeks prophecy was “fulfilled” before the AOD was “fulfilled,” as these 2 separate events are 40 years apart.  The second error is to try to “combine the timeline” of these 2 separate events together, and make them into “a future” 7 year trib, mid trib rapture doctrine that is based on nothing more than a wild imagination and a total lack of understanding in the words of God.

Only the uninformed would believe as you have stated.  Again the 70 Sevens are but a prophetic timeline for the Salvation of Israel.. "On that Day". Repeated many times in Zech.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I don’t use the term “Trinity” either because it is not written.😊

So you don't believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as a threesome (Trinity). That's a pity.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Stewardofthemystery]

29 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

So you don't believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as a threesome (Trinity). That's a pity.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I said I don’t use the term “Trinity”, so why try to misrepresent my words and the words of God?😊

[Vine Abider]

12 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I already know the false doctrine of the 7 year tribulation very well, as I have fought against it for many, many years, so I’m not going to read the link.

What I see in your above response is exactly what I expected.  You said “the scriptures don’t specifically say”, or “the scriptures don’t specifically state that.”

So you are basing your faith on something that is NOT stated or said in the words of God. WOW!  That should be a big RED FLAG for anyone seeking the Truth in God’s written words.

The problem with this false doctrine is that it starts out in error, and it just keeps building on the first error because it is NOT of the Holy Spirit, it is the doctrines of men.

This false doctrine starts out with the error that the 70 weeks of Daniel was NOT fulfilled.  It has been fulfilled.

Then it claims there is a “7 year peace treaty”made by this “man of sin” you mentioned, even though that is NOT what Daniel 9:27 says.

It is Jesus Christ (Messiah the Prince) who confirms the NEW COVENANT in His apostles and disciples in the final 7 of that 70 week prophecy.

So what this false doctrine is doing, it is trying take away something from Daniel 9:27 that is not even there, and then trying to tie it into other unrelated future prophecies, the one has nothing to do with the others.  This is all because they DO NOT understand.

The reason I asked the questions above was to try to make you see the errors in what you are saying.  As I see you did not provide “the scriptures” I asked for, because some are not to be found, and the others you yourself don’t have the answers to, which is why you provided a link.

Seek understanding from Lord alone by faith, because if the blind lead the blind then both will fall into the pit.

Peace

Thanks for your side in all that.  I think I know where you are coming from and you seem to know where I'm coming from . . . we both see through the glass darkly and according to the little we've each been shown.   But isn't it wonderful that this is not our oneness - Hallelujah we are one only in Him alone!  

[Stewardofthemystery]

37 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The error after error is saying this prophecy is past, nothing further from the truth.

The 70 - Sevens are a prophetic timeline for the salvation of Israel.  Daniel's people (those of the 12 tribes) and Daniel's holy city (Jerusalem) have yet to partake in any of the 6 tasks bestowed on them.  We are just waiting for "On That Day" to come in the future.  One more prophetic week remains.

That prophecy was about “the first coming of Messiah,”many of the unbelieving Jews also say that prophecy is yet to be fulfilled, and are still waiting.

37 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

We are not on the same page.  I see you can still buy and sell, so does that mean you have the MOB? Rev 13:17

What is being bought and sold?  Again, the natural man only knows what he knows “naturally” and in those things he corrupts himself.

37 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

This is the onset of the 70th Week, which lead to the A/D at the midpoint of the Week.

The timeline of the 70 week prophecy was “finished” after Christ was crucified, that is when the Testament came into “force” by the death of the Testator. The AOD which happened 40 years or so later has nothing to do with the 490 year timeline shown in Daniels 70 week prophecy.

37 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The new covenant is in His blood, been going on for 2000 years.  Jesus forecast the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.  Then some time after that is when someone makes a covenant with many.  Has not happened yet.

Jesus brought in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is the One who “confirmed His Covenant”with many of his disciples in that final 7 of Daniels prophecy.

37 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Only the uninformed would believe as you have stated.  Again the 70 Sevens are but a prophetic timeline for the Salvation of Israel.. "On that Day". Repeated many times in Zech.

In Christ

Montana Marv

The “so called”unfulfilled 7 or 3.5 years in Daniels prophecy is the beginning or errors.  The second error of that doctrine comes in by not knowing “when”the 1,260 day prophecy “begins,” which is when the AOD was set up in 70 ad.  If they don’t know when it begins, then how can they know when it ends?

Because they take that time of 1,260 days at “face value,”they then try to add it into the imaginary lost 7 or 3.5 , they then also try to move the prophecy of AOD prophecy way ……into the future to make this false doctrine “fit” into the their timeline which they have constructed.

And then to add insult to injury, they add in a false rapture doctrine into the middle of this imaginary unfulfilled “7 year tribulation” which they also cannot prove by the words of God.😊

[Stewardofthemystery]

21 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Thanks for your side in all that.  I think I know where you are coming from and you seem to know where I'm coming from . . . we both see through the glass darkly and according to the little we've each been shown.   But isn't it wonderful that this is not our oneness - Hallelujah we are one only in Him alone!  

You seem like a nice guy, and I pray the Lord will open your eyes to the Truth, but you need to get some Oil in your lamp so you can see.

God bless