When was Satan cast out of heaven down to the earth?

[DeighAnn]

On 6/23/2024 at 12:33 PM, Charlie744 said:

I don’t know why you believe this. Why can’t the temple be destroyed outside of the last week?

Hi Charlie, 

70 weeks 

determined upon the people and the city

not upon Jesus, not upon Christ.  

He is put forth but only as the 'marker' for the events.  

No where is it written they are consecutive, that is an assumption. 

That they are not, is more likely because of how it is written with the AFTER the weeks...



First problem I see is 'Who' are Daniels people?  The PRAYER is clear...  

Israel.  Children of the promise.  Seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel.  If you are Christs then you are Abrahams seed coming from the One kingdom divided into two.  One to bring forth the Messiah, the other to be scattered to the world, sifted in amongst the heathen, no longer knowing who they are or where they came from, aka lost sheep, the lost sheep of the House of Israel, (not the House of Judah as they have ALWAYS known who they are, even to this day) those Jesus came for. 

US.  Christians.  The Church/body of Christ of today.  All continues on UNTIL the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled aka till all who are coming to Christ have.  That hasn't happened.  SO the last week CAN'T have happened as it is 'determined upon ISRAEL.  Not the land, not the nation, but the PEOPLE.  The Messiah came for ALL, not just the House of Judah.  The House of Israel had been scattered to the world hundreds of years BEFORE Jesus was born.  We don't get to disregard them as God made a promise and swore so it still must be true. 


Read it as it is written.  Who is the PRAYER concerning?  Did Daniel mention the Messiah?  No.  That is why 'the Messiah' ISN'T part of the 70...take it like it is written

AS AFTER those weeks and you will see that is when the Messiah is cut off

and the people of the one who is coming, the UN saved, destroy the temple, which also falls after


24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,

Not the Messiah

to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


transgression hasn't finished for all of Israel and the city
there has been no end of sins for all of Israel and the city
there has not been a reconciliation made for iniquity for all of Israel and city
there is not any everlasting righteousness for all of Israel and the city
so the vision has not been sealed up, the prophecy has not ended







25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem

all the years to build the temple and get it ready for the Messiah





unto

the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.



Remember this is GIVEN to us by an angel


26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:


SO AFTER that time is fulfilled, Messiah has come and been announced and rejected ONLY THEN is He cut off



Still AFTER



and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;







and the end thereof

that would be the end of the prophecy, or the last week of it will be






shall be with a flood,



and unto the end of the war


desolations are determined.


27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

Remember 2 Thess 3
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?



and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,


THE LORD isn't going to cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, it is the WORSHIPPING of another that causes that,


and it is NOT the Lord who will be the cause of


and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,



even until the consummation,


and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

THAT DETERMINED to be poured out upon the desolate are the VIALS of Gods wrath upon those who have taken the mark of the beast.  



None of that has happened.  Satan and his angels have not been cast to earth.  

Matt 24, Mark 13, Rev, both Thess, Major and Minor prophets all say the exact same thing. God tells us over and over and over the same thing from all different ways of looking at it.




 

 

[Charlie744]

17 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

 Well then, that seems like a most logical place for you begin you presentation, and if it be sound and true, may the Lord grant me grace to discern it as such.

 

Perhaps then you can explain then why the ten horns are introduced following the decline of Greece with to rising of the Roman Empire, since their appearance in prophecy arrives upon the coming fourth beast’s head.

Okay, I started a new post for the 10 horns… I am not sure anyone wants to go down that path again, so let will respond to your question. 
 

1) so, the best thing I should do is to discuss the 10 toes .. 

Who are the 10 toes in your opinion? When are they shown (time frame)?

 

 

17 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

Also, what is it that has persuaded you that the “little horn,” which Daniel says arises from these ten, is the same little horn which comes from one of the four providences under the control Alexander’s surviving generals.

 

No. I see them as the surviving fragments of a fallen Rome grouped into smaller sovereign countries, which in the later times resurfaces in what may be likened to a revived Roman Empire: which some would say is the European Union. I, however, believe such will be more of a spiritual union than natural, and one which will include some Middle East countries which would cause them to be distinct from just the EU.

 

I do not see either little horn as the papacy.

I believe the first is Antiochus Epiphanes, and second, possibly a prophetic pointing to the birthing of the eighth and last great empire, America.

 

However, I think you ought to start a new thread so we do not become guilty of high jacking this one. Just message me with a link....

 

 

 

[BlindSeeker]

It is so much easier to read posts when they are written like any other literature - with even spaced lines in paragraphs properly spaced.

All this fragmentation of posts utilizing small to large fonts intermixed with huge spacing randomly are simply distracting; often to the point of my electing not to read them.

I assume everyone is truly wanting to communicate so as to be heard. Can you image listening to someone talking that way?

Honestly, I would rather attempt reading a post with all caps, no periods, commas, or spacing. I feel like I am wearing out my mouse's scroller....

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2024 by BlindSeeker

[BlindSeeker]

58 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Okay, I started a new post for the 10 horns… I am not sure anyone wants to go down that path again, so let will respond to your question. 
 

1) so, the best thing I should do is to discuss the 10 toes .. 

Who are the 10 toes in your opinion? When are they shown (time frame)?

I had posted them already in an earlier response to you....

[BlindSeeker]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

None of that has happened.  Satan and his angels have not been cast to earth.  

I strongly disagree

 

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

I had posted them already in an earlier response to you....

Okay and thanks. So these come after 500 AD, correct?

If I missed it, I apologize, but who are the 10 toes in chapter 2?