When was Satan cast out of heaven down to the earth?

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Why would you think the angels of God are appearing before Him on earth, and not in heaven, unless you are trying to push your own point of view?

Satan/ the Devil is the accuser of the brethren….

Jude 1:9

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with “the devil”he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”

 

Where was Satan when he was accusing the brethren ….

Revelation 12:10

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for “the accuser of our brethren is cast down,”which accused them “before our God day and night.”

 

Again God’s throne is in HEAVEN

 

 

Then you don’t believe the words of Jesus.

Yes Jesus did end the need for the animal sacrifices.  But the animal sacrifices continued until the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad when the AOD took place.

But what a lot of people do not understand is that the “daily sacrifice” with animals was just a “similitude”of the true spiritual “daily sacrifice” of the saints that was to come.

Which is why it is written …

Daniel 8:12

And an host was given him “against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,” and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

 

Gods saints are called to present themselves as a “living sacrifice”.  We are called to “die daily” and take up our cross “daily”

 

 

I thought I mentioned that I do not have the answers AND I was playing devils advocate… 

Again, I am just throwing out my thoughts… 

But, if you don’t mind, I will respond to your comments above:

1) I never said God had to meet satan on earth… but because I threw out my opinion that satan was kicked out after the fall, it would not be in heaven. For all I know He could meet satan at the in-and- out burger- His choice!

2) not sure I understand your reference to Jude… but that doesn’t look like it would have taken place in heaven.. 

3) Of course I believe Jesus, I may not believe in your interpretation of what He said.. 

4) Again, I really do not think the reference in Revelation that you sited CONFIRMS the timing of his being cast down took place right there and they.

 I do agree that His Kingdom is now at hand but not necessarily that satan is now being thrown down… it also says Satan accused “them” before our God both day and night. Could certainly mean that satan was cast down at the time of the fall and continued to do so even in the site of God - but if he was cast down after the fall, he would be doing his thing on earth… not in heaven.

5) I am not sure that Daniel 8 is speaking to this topic… 

Please remember, I am doing no more than throwing my thoughts out for discussion… but, the more we continue this, the more I believe he was thrown out after the fall.. 

[Charlie744]

22 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

We know by the words of God that Satan/ the Dragon was allowed in HEAVEN until Christ was crucified and ascended up to Heaven.

Revelation 12:7

And there was war “in heaven:” Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

 

So if Satan/the Dragon was not allowed access to HEAVEN, how can the Dragon be fighting a war in HEAVEN if he is not allowed to be in HEAVEN?

 

All the scriptures I posted in the OP agree to the exact timing of when Satan was cast out of HEAVEN.

Is it possible that this war in heaven took place right after the fall?

[Stewardofthemystery]

8 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Is it possible that this war in heaven took place right after the fall?

No because all the scriptures I posted in the OP agree on the “timing” of when this event occurred.
Jesus plainly told us when the Prince of this world would be cast out of heaven down to the earth.

Revelation 12 confirms the words of Jesus concerning the “timing” of when Satan would be cast out.

So why do so many people ignore what Jesus plainly said concerning “the timing”of when this took place?

Because they would rather defend their own personal views and doctrine instead of admitting they were wrong and Jesus is right.  

God’s Word is Spirit and is Truth, those who resist the Truth also resist the Holy Spirit.

 

[Montana Marv]

16 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but this might confirm that satan was indeed walking to and from on the earth… he has been restricted from heaven.

Do you agree? 

Yes before the cross.

Rev 12:10 - For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Vine Abider]

On 6/11/2024 at 6:28 AM, Stewardofthemystery said:

In Revelation 12 after the ascension of Jesus (the man child) we see the war in heaven and Satan is cast out with his angels down to earth.    

When I read Revelation 12, I see several things that don't align neatly with the popular idea that the man child is Jesus Christ Himself.  I grant that on the surface it seems apparent, but . . .  Is this something you, or anyone else, is interested in looking into here?

[Stewardofthemystery]

7 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

When I read Revelation 12, I see several things that don't align neatly with the popular idea that the man child is Jesus Christ Himself.  I grant that on the surface it seems apparent, but . . .  Is this something you, or anyone else, is interested in looking into here?

I have personally found that there are more people who disagree that the “man child” is Jesus, than who agree.  This is because of what they have been taught by other men, who have convinced them this event is yet future.

The problem with most is, they are seeking understanding into the spiritual things of God from the wrong source.

If men are not being taught by the Holy Spirit, then they are being taught by the wrong source.

[Charlie744]

47 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

No because all the scriptures I posted in the OP agree on the “timing” of when this event occurred.
Jesus plainly told us when the Prince of this world would be cast out of heaven down to the earth.

Revelation 12 confirms the words of Jesus concerning the “timing” of when Satan would be cast out.

So why do so many people ignore what Jesus plainly said concerning “the timing”of when this took place?

Because they would rather defend their own personal views and doctrine instead of admitting they were wrong and Jesus is right.  

God’s Word is Spirit and is Truth, those who resist the Truth also resist the Holy Spirit.

 

Ok, I think I have mentioned that I have no answers for this and am simply throwing thoughts out.

I believe you may be upset that your interpretation is not automatically being accepted.

There is no offense in my replies, so maybe we might leave it where it is for now.

i will look for other interpretations should they get posted … thanks. 

[Vine Abider]

19 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I have personally found that there are more people who disagree that the “man child” is Jesus, than who agree.  This is because of what they have been taught by other men, who have convinced them this event is yet future.

The problem with most is, they are seeking understanding into the spiritual things of God from the wrong source.

If men are not being taught by the Holy Spirit, then they are being taught by the wrong source.

Okay, sounds like you are 100% clear and convinced . . . no need to dialog about other interpretations, right?

[Stewardofthemystery]

19 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I believe you may be upset that your interpretation is not automatically being accepted.

There is no offense in my replies, so maybe we might leave it where it is for now.

i will look for other interpretations should they get posted … thanks. 

I’m not upset, I am just confident in the interpretation that the Lord has revealed to me by His Spirit.  Peace

[Stewardofthemystery]

10 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Okay, sounds like you are 100% clear and convinced . . . no need to dialog about other interpretations, right?

I am 100% convinced by the Holy Spirit that the interpretation is correct.  But you are welcome to express your own views, comments, thoughts, or questions.  Feel free to share.😊