Why Are There So Many Denominations In The Church

[Charlie1988]

18 hours ago, RdJ said:

The demons don't simply run when one gets saved and if someone is really possessed and not just influenced or oppressed they can't even get saved before you kick those demons out in Jesus' Name. A guy in Africa left his wife, understood nothing, lost his mind and walked through the woods for years and was aggressive when they tried to get contact. His wife kept praying. He got set free and saved by prayer and rebuking those demons.

 

Even a sickness can be demonic.

And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way [d]raise herself up. 12 But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.” 13 And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.

 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”

Demons can not dwell with the Holy Spirit, they always run before the Holy Spirit indwells a person. I'm not sure how you came to believe that the Holy Spirit and Demons can abide in the same temple, but I can tell you that i not true. 

When a person is born again, the Holy Spirit indwells them so if the person had a Demon then hat Demon will run as soon as He hears that the person express faith in the Lord. 

Men are powerless against Demons, one Demon can kill hundreds of thousands of men. So it's not tue to claim that a man can have some kind of authority to cast out Demons. The Bible clearly teaches that it should never be attempted by man. We know how a demon beat up a bunch of men and they ran naked and bruised for a house. 

The Demon asked them who they were, and then told them I don't know you before He proceeded to beat them up severely and ripped their clothes of them and sent them running naked. That's what happens when men try to mess with Demons. 

God only gave the power over Demons to the Apostles and nobody else, so we have to stop kidding ourselves that it was given to anyone else.

All Jesus gave us was the Gospel and nothing else, no power or and authority over anything. So the only way to exercise a Demon is to preach the gospel to the possessed person, if the person believes the gospel then the Demon will leave immediately. If the person rejects the gospel then they remain possessed. It's as simple as that.     

[Charlie1988]

14 hours ago, Neighbor said:

And here I have a little talk with Jesus often: Lord is it good between you and me? How am I doing? What will you have of me this day?  And right out of the Fernando Ortega prayerful song, Lord please remember me and not my shame, judge  me on the whole... and not just by my shame.

Is Jesus unhearing? Does He not petition his Father in my behalf? Does not the Holy Spirit  step in when words fail me and petition  in words too deep for  my comprehension?  

I find  it is true that Jesus is not distant, and though He  prepares a place for me He also is present in my everything. Not only has Jesus  left me the restrainer, He has set aside for me personally many angels, guardians that have noticeably interacted in my life, by staving off much evil intent on doing  harm. Why He even sent one to turn me about to seeing Him. God is awesome in His might.

 

I don't find any scriptures to support the notion that Jesus is actively working in our lives. My understanding is that He finished the work He came to do on earth. And He told the Apostles that He is going away, and that He would send the comforter to replace Him. 

Jesus is now representing those He saved in heaven before the Father, He intercedes for all of those He saved collectively. The Holy Spirit guides us and tells us what to pray for and we ask it in the name of the One who purchased us by His blood.

All born again believers know Him as our Lord and Lord and Savior, but I don't believe we have the type or relationship with Him where we talk with Him and He talks to us. That's what prayer is for, we pray to the Father and not to Jesus.   

[Charlie1988]

10 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I understand.  I have a very rewarding local group I've met with ongoing for the past 25 years.  And I have to admit I rarely go anywhere else when I'm at home. However, when I travel I like to go be with whoever might be nearby.  This has given me wonderful experiences with those in various groups and affiliations (and with others that are totally independent like my home group)! 

I would also add that there have been a very few "stinker" groups I've visited on travel - "stinker" (in that they were like Martha said of dead Lazarus - "Lord, he stinketh!").

If more Churches obeyed Gods instructions on, how He wants to be served and worshiped, I would visit them as well and have fellowship with them. But the sad reality is the vast majority are focused on serving themselves and their personal agendas. 

Some of the Churches I visited when I was Church shopping, were more like a rock concert that a Church service. I used to come home with my ears ringing from the loud distorted cheap and amateur rock band. I wounder if God would accept that kind of self indulgent worship, I couldn't stand it so I assume God would be there either. 

Some of my friends attend Churches which are man centered, they accuse me of being judgmental when I say I don't believe they are pleasing to the Lord. Our Pastor regularly reminds us our services that we are here to worship and it's all about Him and for Him.    

[warrior12]

44 minutes ago, Charlie1988 said:

If more Churches obeyed Gods instructions on, how He wants to be served and worshiped,

Could you explain what that mean, scripture and example if you are inclined would be appreciated.   Thanks

[Michael37]

42 minutes ago, Charlie1988 said:

I don't find any scriptures to support the notion that Jesus is actively working in our lives.

Respectfully, that doesn't mean there aren't any for other persuasions than yours to employ and enjoy, @Charlie1988

Heb 4:12  For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Gal 2:20  I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Col 1:27  to whom God was pleased to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory;

Col 3:3  For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Rev 3:20  Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me.
 

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Charlie1988 said:

Our Pastor regularly reminds us our services that we are here to worship and it's all about Him and for Him.   

How often should the saints gather to minister to one another under the Anointing the Holy Spirit places over fellowship?

[Charlie1988]

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

Could you explain what that mean, scripture and example if you are inclined would be appreciated.   Thanks

God didn't leave it up to us to decide how the local Church should function. We have an abundance of examples and instructions in the Bible, to follow. If we establish a local Church, based on our own idea without giving due consideration to the Biblical model, then it can't be considered a Bible based Church. 

1 Cor 12:12-31

12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.

15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?

20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

 The organized church is God’s idea. The visible church is central to God’s disciple-making strategy (Matt. 16:18; 28:18–20; Heb. 10:19–25). Indeed, the local church plays a principal role on almost every page of the New Testament. It is through, not apart from, the ministry of the church that Christ and His benefits are efficaciously communicated to the elect and received through faith. A serious Christian, then, does not craft a mosaic of personalized spirituality outside the church. No, true faith believes Christ’s promise to feed His sheep through the faithful ministry of a biblical church.

[Charlie1988]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Respectfully, that doesn't mean there aren't any for other persuasions than yours to employ and enjoy, @Charlie1988

Heb 4:12  For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Gal 2:20  I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Col 1:27  to whom God was pleased to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory;

Col 3:3  For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Rev 3:20  Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me.
 

God has not spoken to man for the past 2000 years, so the Word of God that speaks to us today is the same old Word which every generation has had for the past 2000 years. God has said everything He wanted to said to us, the cannon of scripture was closed with the book of revelation and God has been silent since then. 

I consider the Holy Trinity as One, so Jesus is interchangeable with The Holy Spirit and the Father is interchangeable with Jesus. Both the Father and Son are called Jehovah God. The Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of God. All three Person do things as individuals but they always remain One. So al of those scriptures you cited can be attributed to the Holy Spirit.

We can say that the Father God or the Son or the Holy Spirit is in us, as they are inseparable. If you have One you have all three. We don't have Jesus present with us in His bodily, but we do have His Spirit, likewise with the Father.     

[warrior12]

2 hours ago, warrior12 said:

If more Churches obeyed Gods instructions on, how He wants to be served and worshiped,

Ok, I asked a question earlier as to explain the above. You did reply, but I did not quite get the points you made, as it was mainly of  scripture.  

So I will ask it in this manner.   Why do you think that your local church is the correct way of worship and other churches that plays music ect, is not pleasing to God.  

Do you have healing and miracles at your church ?. These are just question I truly want to gain an understanding of as I am understanding that your church executes the biblical model.  Do the women remain silent in the Church service to ?. 

[Charlie1988]

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

How often should the saints gather to minister to one another under the Anointing the Holy Spirit places over fellowship?

There's no set limit as to how many times the Church meets, but the Apostles meet every Sunday. So we also have our Church Service twice every Sunday 

We do have other Ministries such as Sunday School, Prayer Meetings, Bible Study, Kids Club, Youth Group Meetings, Outreach, Church Camps, Conferences, hospitality Pastoral Visits. And there are other things we do for the Church as individuals, like help members who may be struggling or have particular needs.