Core Essentials of Our One Faith (for fellowshipping with others)?

[luigi]

On 7/3/2024 at 5:45 PM, Peelo said:

I lived in the Bible belt for 20 years and while there were a lot of good people there there were a lot of people who were evil and definitely predestined for hell  as they pretended to be Christians. in America today, there are a lot more fake Christians than there are Christians. I have found based on my friends that some of the most Christian people I know are Jews and atheists. Go figure.

 

This is why God is going to shake the earth again, so that the phonies who declare to believe in Christ and God, but in truth do not, shall be shaken out from the fold, leaving true Christians who truly believe in Christ (which is to love ones neighbor as they do themselves), remain (Hebrews 12:26-27).

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

[NConly]

5 hours ago, Truswell said:

Question. Seeing as believers are, "One in Christ," does that rule out national boundaries and the various customs? If so, is Israel a land or a people?

has nothing to do with Earthly man made boundaries. imo

[Neighbor]

5 hours ago, Truswell said:

Question. Seeing as believers are, "One in Christ," does that rule out national boundaries and the various customs? If so, is Israel a land or a people?

Hi, Might I suggest:

Not all that believe are "in Christ", demons for example.

Nothing "rules out" national boundaries, but the faith of Jesus transcends all boundaries, earthly and heavenly. God for example made boundaries for  separating and keeping separate the twelve tribes of Jews.

Israel is a person, a place and a nation; Jacob  having been given that name, Jacob's descendants having been called collectively by his name, and their places  specially  granted them  under provision of the land grant  extended by God to the twelve tribes "of Israel".

All making national bounders a reality, Israel, specially provided for and granted  directly by God and declared of in the Bible. At the same time all that are of circumcision are not Jews of the promise, for the circumcision of promise is the circumcision of the heart. That transcends all borders.

Border fights, immigration,  emigration, edicts of expulsion, are all part of that which is evidently necessary  as precursory activity for the final resolve of the heavenly battle that will result in a new earth and a new heaven. What is will no longer be, it will all have been burned away.

The new  creation will evidently have it's own defined dimensions and borders with ever open gates.

p.s. Is that understanding a core essential to our one faith? Likely not, but it seems to be there for the reading and anticipating, within the inspired of God writings collectively called the Bible.

[Truswell]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, Might I suggest:

Not all that believe are "in Christ", demons for example.

Nothing "rules out" national boundaries, but the faith of Jesus transcends all boundaries, earthly and heavenly. God for example made boundaries for  separating and keeping separate the twelve tribes of Jews.

Israel is a person, a place and a nation; Jacob  having been given that name, Jacob's descendants having been called collectively by his name, and their places  specially  granted them  under provision of the land grant  extended by God to the twelve tribes "of Israel".

All making national bounders a reality, Israel, specially provided for and granted  directly by God and declared of in the Bible. At the same time all that are of circumcision are not Jews of the promise, for the circumcision of promise is the circumcision of the heart. That transcends all borders.

Border fights, immigration,  emigration, edicts of expulsion, are all part of that which is evidently necessary  as precursory activity for the final resolve of the heavenly battle that will result in a new earth and a new heaven. What is will no longer be, it will all have been burned away.

The new  creation will evidently have it's own defined dimensions and borders with ever open gates.

p.s. Is that understanding a core essential to our one faith? Likely not, but it seems to be there for the reading and anticipating, within the inspired of God writings collectively called the Bible.

Do you think those who participate in the border violence, which to my mind is murder i.e. (pre-meditated and deliberate killing) will be with the Lord in Glory?

[First and the Last]

8 hours ago, Truswell said:

Question. Seeing as believers are, "One in Christ," does that rule out national boundaries and the various customs? If so, is Israel a land or a people?

The concept of being "one in Christ" emphasizes the spiritual unity of all believers, transcending national boundaries, ethnic differences, and cultural customs. In Galatians 3:28, Paul writes, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." This passage highlights that in the body of Christ, the distinctions that often divide people in the world are superseded by the unity found in Him.

While spiritual unity in Christ transcends national and cultural boundaries, it does not necessarily eliminate them. Believers still live within their respective countries and cultures, which can influence their daily lives and practices. The key is that these distinctions should not divide the body of Christ or hinder the fellowship and unity among believers. The focus is on the shared faith and the common identity in Christ, which overrides any earthly divisions.

From a biblical and theological perspective, Israel can be understood both as a land and as a people. Historically, Israel refers to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation established through their lineage. It also refers to the geographic region promised to Abraham and his descendants, which holds significant historical and prophetic importance in Scripture.

In the New Testament, particularly within the context of the Church, the concept of Israel expands. Paul speaks of a "spiritual Israel" in passages like Romans 9:6-8, indicating that true children of Abraham are those who have faith in Christ, regardless of their ethnic background. This spiritual Israel comprises all who belong to Christ, thus incorporating Gentiles into the promises originally given to Israel.

[Sower]

On 7/2/2024 at 9:27 PM, Peelo said:

Fellowship implies relationships. In the case of TRUE Christian fellowship it would require everyone  being on the same page but as we all know there a many Christian doctrines.

     Fellowship,( Koinonia ) can be defined as “holding something in common."

 I have fellowship with many lost, a wedding celebration with relatives, fellowship with lost neighbors or delivery drivers, fishing trip with buddies, some believers and some not.  In the world but not of the world.

I have to go to the blind to share the light, the sick. And be a friend, listen and wait for the spirit's nudge. We have something in common to talk about which could open up conversation to share the good news.

Then there is biblical fellowship with born again brothers/sisters.
    "The unity of the Spirit,
that comes from Christians’ shared beliefs, convictions, and    behaviors."

[Sower]

33 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Do you think those who participate in the border violence, which to my mind is murder i.e. (pre-meditated and deliberate killing) will be with the Lord in Glory?

Murder vs killing.

Is it a sin to defend the borders of our/other country from terrorists who come to kill?
Or for me to eliminate a threat to my family from home invasion?

I think there is too many different situations to answer your broad statement.
What essential core belief deals with this?
           "Love the Lord, love my neighbor"...    fellowship/discernment...

What about King David's (pre-meditated and deliberate killing) to throw into the mix.

Thanks, Truswell...

[Marathoner]

8 hours ago, Truswell said:

Question. Seeing as believers are, "One in Christ," does that rule out national boundaries and the various customs? If so, is Israel a land or a people?

To answer both questions simply: yes, and a people. However, I'm in the minority regarding such things. I'm not bothered by it. 

[Truswell]

10 minutes ago, Sower said:

Murder vs killing.

Is it a sin to defend the borders of our/other country from terrorists who come to kill?
Or for me to eliminate a threat to my family from home invasion?

I think there is too many different situations to answer your broad statement.
What essential core belief deals with this?
           "Love the Lord, love my neighbor"...    fellowship/discernment...

What about King David's (pre-meditated and deliberate killing) to throw into the mix.

Thanks, Truswell...

How about the sixth commandment, though shall not kill (murder).

[Truswell]

12 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

To answer both questions simply: yes, and a people. However, I'm in the minority regarding such things. I'm not bothered by it. 

Good answer, and unless you believe Israel will be heaven on earth, the land matters little compared to eternal life in Glory with the Lord?