Put your trust in the Lord, not in men

[Stewardofthemystery]

18 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Humankind has dominion over the entire earth. If in that process man learns how to use plants and the art of chemistry to further the ability of producing medicines so be it. These are blessings from our Eternal God.

I would argue man lost that dominion to the serpent when sin began to reign over mankind.

I don’t see in scripture where God tells us to seek a chemist or man’s medicine for our healing.

What did Jesus ask before He healed someone?

[D. Adrien]

1 minute ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I would argue man lost that dominion to the serpent when sin began to reign over mankind.

I don’t see in scripture where God tells us to seek a chemist or man’s medicine for our healing.

What did Jesus ask before He healed someone?

Not everyone has the kind of faith required for healing. I know of instances where healings did not happen and at the same time the disease or various ailments did not progress. Similar to Paul having a thorn to reckon with. Personally, I've experienced minor healings and have also used surgery as a means to an end. in all of this I was/am also ok with death. I have no problem with God being my judge.

[Stewardofthemystery]

12 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Not everyone has the kind of faith required for healing. I know of instances where healings did not happen and at the same time the disease or various ailments did not progress. Similar to Paul having a thorn to reckon with. Personally, I've experienced minor healings and have also used surgery as a means to an end. in all of this I was/am also ok with death. I have no problem with God being my judge.

Therein is a part of the problem because having “faith in”God to heal, is “trusting in”God to heal.

And yes God does allow thorns in flesh like with Paul, but that was done in order to keep Paul humble.  As I myself have experienced the same in my flesh, as this can also be seen as a form of chastisement from the Lord.

But it is good that you do not fear death or dying, because if your heart is right with the Lord then you will not fear illness or death.

 

[D. Adrien]

2 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Therein is a part of the problem because having “faith in”God to heal, is “trusting in”God to heal.

And yes God does allow thorns in flesh like with Paul, but that was done in order to keep Paul humble.  As I myself have experienced the same in my flesh, as this can also be seen as a form of chastisement from the Lord.

But it is good that you do not fear death or dying, because if your heart is right with the Lord then you will not fear illness or death.

 

Two things:

Everyone if they live long enough will have an opportunity to test their view on faith healing upon themselves by the circumstances in life that will be encountered.

Which is evil: A person lacking faith in God to trust in a physical healing or a Christian blessed with great wealth and is unwilling to share it with others?

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Romans 1:22

God's Wrath against Sin
…21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.…

[Jayne]

55 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I would argue man lost that dominion to the serpent when sin began to reign over mankind.

I don’t see in scripture where God tells us to seek a chemist or man’s medicine for our healing.

What did Jesus ask before He healed someone?

You have no right to tell anyone, especially the very disturbed young woman on this forum, that she, for spiritual reasons, cannot take medicine.

You have NO RIGHT to come on a message board - hiding behind your anonymous face - and say that we should not have access to medicines that God has provided simply because YOU don't believe that this is how God heals and because you don't "see it" in the Bible.

While Jesus was on this earth, he healed miraculously.  He still does.  God also heals with medicines.  What if someone who is every weak in the faith sees your post, has cancer, and decides they cannot take chemo because Jesus didn't recommend it.

There are people on this and every other message board who are weak in the faith, new to the faith, confused, mentally ill, and more who will believe EVERYTHING you say.

I TRUST GOD implicitly to heal in whatever manner he chooses - natural or supernatural.  I trust him to provide chemical means,  if that's his offer of a gift.  I trust him to heal with miracles AND with medications.

I would NOT be here if not for epilepsy medications.  I have taught several students who would NOT BE HERE without type 1 diabetes medication.  I've seen oh-so-many cancer patients rise to new life because of treatments.

I've also seen them die.  That's God's business.

I am not afraid for God to call me home.  I look forward to whatever day that will be.

Until then, I will take whatever he provides and be GRATEFUL for it.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2024 by Jayne

[Stewardofthemystery]

20 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Which is evil: A person lacking faith in God to trust in a physical healing or a Christian blessed with great wealth and is unwilling to share it with others?

I would say both.

[D. Adrien]

Lacking faith is not a sin, it's a weakness. 

Hebrews 11 has plenty of examples of this.

1 minute ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I would say both.

Heb. 5:14

But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Only one judge and Father of us all.

[Stewardofthemystery]

18 minutes ago, Jayne said:

You have no right to tell this very disturbed young woman that she, for spiritual reasons, cannot take medicine.

You have NO RIGHT to come on a message board - hiding behind your anonymous face - and say that we should not have access to medicines that God has provided simply because YOU don't believe that this is how God heals and because you don't "see it" in the Bible.

While Jesus was on this earth, he healed miraculously.  He still does.  God also heals with medicines.  What if someone who is every weak in the faith sees your post, has cancer, and decides they cannot take chemo because Jesus didn't recommend it.

There are people on this and every other message board who are weak in the faith, new to the faith, confused, mentally ill, and more who will believe EVERYTHING you say.

I TRUST GOD implicitly to heal in whatever manner he chooses - natural or supernatural.  I trust him to provide chemical means,  if that's his offer of a gift.  I trust him to heal with miracles AND with medications.

I would NOT be here if not for epilepsy medications.  I have taught several students who would NOT BE HERE without type 1 diabetes medication.  I've seen oh-so-many cancer patients rise to new life because of treatments.

I've also seen them die.  That's God's business.

I am not afraid for God to call me home.  I look forward to whatever day that will be.

Until then, I will take whatever he provides and be GRATEFUL for it.

 

 

I did NOT tell anyone that they cannot take medicine.  That is a LIE!

My advice was to “Trust in the Lord, not in men”

Clearly this message offends.

[Stewardofthemystery]

4 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Lacking faith is not a sin, it's a weakness. 

Hebrews 11 has plenty of examples of this.

Heb. 5:14

But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Only one judge and Father of us all.

It is written … “for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”