I can do whatever and there is No Condemnation in Christ!

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Because there is an effort to distort the word of God. The falling away from the faith.
The times have come when sound doctrine is not endured.

Okay, thanks. I choose to believe that most translators got it right*, and that it really wasn't in the oldest/original texts, and that "There is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" is all verse 8:1 says.

And you can choose to see it another way - thanks again for your reasoning.

* FYI: out of around 30 translations listed on BibleHub.com, about 4 add "who walk not according to the flesh . . ."

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Brother Ron said:

Hebrews 10:26

For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgement and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

A number of us have been doing this exercise for a while on here and it typically works something like this: someone presents a verse/passage that seems to show born-again children of God can loose their eternal salvation, and then others post verses/passages that would seem to show that once someone is born-again, as a child of God, they can't be unborn (aka "loose their life/salvation").*

Is that something you'd like to engage in?

FYI - my guestimate is for every verse that seems to show loss of eternal salvation, there are about 8 verses seeming to show eternal life can't be lost.

* and ultimately, no one seems to change their original thinking very much on the matter . . .

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

A number of us have been doing this exercise for a while on here and it typically works something like this: someone presents a verse/passage that seems to show born-again children of God can loose their eternal salvation, and then others post verses/passages that would seem to show that once someone is born-again, as a child of God, they can't be unborn (aka "loose their life/salvation").*

Is that something you'd like to engage in?

FYI - my guestimate is for every verse that seems to show loss of eternal salvation, there are about 8 verses seeming to show eternal life can't be lost.

* and ultimately, no one seems to change their original thinking very much on the matter . . .

Forfeit is a better word than loss. 

Rom 11:22  Behold then the kindness, and the severity of God; on those having fallen, severity; but on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
 

[AnOrangeCat]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

* and ultimately, no one seems to change their original thinking very much on the matter

I've found that this is true of most things people will argue or debate about going all the way from religion and politics to health and gardening and conspiracy theories. If it registers as important to someone then emotions, what people were first taught and want to believe, and so on tend to weigh more heavily than anything else. I've had to unlearn some things in my Christian walk, even if sometimes it's just been a matter of going from "I know this is how it is." to "I have no idea."and then just accepting that one day God will let us know and it will make sense then.

At least with something like this there's a general agreement that deliberate sin is a bad idea, the difference being the final consequence of continuing to practice the bad idea.

[Cntrysner]

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Forfeit is a better word than loss. 

Rom 11:22  Behold then the kindness, and the severity of God; on those having fallen, severity; but on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
 

@Michael37,  What is your understanding of these scriptures...

1Co 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 
1Co 6:20  For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 

[Cntrysner]

I know I will not do a very good job with this but here it is …

Revelation of the Gospel in scripture or the fullness in Christ’s sacrifice was progressive. Animal blood and water purification rituals under the law, manifestation of Christ as Israel’s Messiah, Sacrifice of the Messiah, miraculous gifts to prove God was in Christ,  His shed blood for remission of sins without law, Holy Spirit indwelling to be born again. Each of these steps required acceptance to continue as a true believer and if any turned back or refused to proceeded in these progressive truths their salvation could be lost. Now we have the revelation of the body of Christ and as a member we are sealed with Christ’s righteousness and His eternal life which can not be lost or forfeited, we are kept by the power of God and we cry Abba Father and have no fear of losing eternal life. 

Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 
Gal 4:7  Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.     
1Pe 1:4  To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 
1Pe 1:5  Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.      
 

Edited July 30, 2024 by Cntrysner

[Marathoner]

There is something to be said about the judgment of the religious, particularly as it pertains to a topic such as what has surfaced yet again. It seems to come up in a cyclic manner:

Being cut off by the Lord. Here we are again. 

I understand that this is a very important subject for some to dwell upon. It certainly was for those who judged me many years ago "according to the scriptures." I was cut off by the Lord according to the judgment of the religious. Irredeemable. Apostate. Rebellious. And so on...

Of course, they had plenty of scripture to support their collective judgment. They always do. It never occurred to those men that they were in error; of course not, because scripture supported their judgment! Therefore, they knew the will and purpose of the Lord because the scripture spelled it out to them. I even believed them... after all, I didn't know any better. It was all new to me. 

Ah, but it never hit those men that, before they declared their righteous judgment of me according to the scriptures, the Lord revealed what they would do and what I ought to do when their messenger arrived bearing the news. Of course it wouldn't, because I didn't know the Lord and He despised me according to the scriptures. 

It never occurred to me that my time among them was finished and that the Lord, in His kindness and mercy, delivered me from their power before their house collapsed into rubble. I also didn't know that my departure was needful because it moved me closer to where the Master desired me to be. None of this was known by anyone --- especially those religious men who judged me according to scripture --- because it was the hidden counsel of God.

No man knows the hidden counsel of God unless He sees fit to reveal it. The Almighty answers to no one and to no man, even those men who confidently quote scripture and judge others when they were not appointed to do so. 

Scripture is routinely misappropriated and subsequently twisted by zealous men who expect the purpose and will of God to match their expectations at all times. Scripture does not lie, but men are entirely fallible and evil. If they understood the words of the Lord at all, then they would know to abstain from judging that which they don't know and understand. 

The Lord never condemned me at any time even though I did foolish things frequently. He wasn't wrathful nor did He threaten me with punishments (or being cut off) because I "fell away" and fell short of the approval of man. No. 

What was intended for evil by others, He purposed for good. I'm so thankful that happened to me! I can now encourage His beloved who find themselves judged wrongly by the fervently religious, having endured dark times and even darker days. 

The Lord is not harsh at all... but men are hard as stone. 

Edited July 30, 2024 by Marathoner

[Vine Abider]

14 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

The Lord is not harsh at all... but men are hard as stone. 

"Shall we call fire down from heaven and consume them?"           Luke 9:54

Though we be seriously misguided, He still loves us unquenchably. 

[Truswell]

On 7/16/2024 at 3:03 AM, farouk said:

Great verses there quoted; it's a spiritual birth, indeed......

Yes indeed. Born again of the spirit. There is no third birth.

[Sower]

22 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

I've had to unlearn some things in my Christian walk, even if sometimes it's just been a matter of going from "I know this is how it is." to "I have no idea."and then just accepting that one day God will let us know and it will make sense then.

             

I was 30yrs in a religion/dogma entrenched firmly in my beliefs. The RCC. But upon hearing/understanding just a few scripture verses (the gospel) I had never heard before, the light came flooding in. So I am always open for the Lord to show me the truth for any scriptures I may have misunderstood. If I didn't I'd still be working for salvation in the catholic church.

Since conversion though, I realize there are many that have a great enthusiasm to teach with strange understanding of scripture so I pray for discernment and wisdom/understanding. I will always ask God to open my eyes to any of my own faulty understanding of the word.