Guys stop trying to identify the antichrist

[Neighbor]

For anyone willing I suggest looking at  a presentation in  2 parts by Zola Levitt presents with Jeffrey Seif  titled "The Dark Prince"

Episode: “The Experts Speak,” Part 1

Jeff interviews Paul Wilkinson, Wayne House, Tom McCall, and Chuck Missler about the End Times—specifically, the rise of the antiChrist and the European Union.

Series: “The Dark Prince” 

When the Devil Has His Day

Dr. Jeffrey Seif takes readers through Bible texts that speak about the devil. Introductory in nature, The Dark Prince gives individuals a behind-the-scenes look at Evil’s workings at the ragged edge of human history, and its ultimate uprooting when Christ returns.

 

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

For anyone willing I suggest looking at  a presentation in  2 parts by Zola Levitt presents with Jeffrey Seif  titled "The Dark Prince"

Episode: “The Experts Speak,” Part 1

Jeff interviews Paul Wilkinson, Wayne House, Tom McCall, and Chuck Missler about the End Times—specifically, the rise of the antiChrist and the European Union.

Series: “The Dark Prince” 

When the Devil Has His Day

Dr. Jeffrey Seif takes readers through Bible texts that speak about the devil. Introductory in nature, The Dark Prince gives individuals a behind-the-scenes look at Evil’s workings at the ragged edge of human history, and its ultimate uprooting when Christ returns.

 

I believe I have seen many of the programs when Zola was alive and after when Jeffrey continued on ... they are so enjoyable to watch and learn. But, I do not believe they have addressed the Book of Daniel in a non-futurist view. They seem to have followed so many ... almost all of today's interpreters are have thrown so much of Daniel far into the future.... some 2000 years. Further, they have changed the prophecies from a messianic one (His first coming) to a prophecy about man's possible future kingdoms or nations or powers like the EU, etc. Today's accepted interpretations focus on the mythical antiChrist who will arrive in the last week of Daniel's 70 weeks of years prophecy some 2000 years in the future (from the time of the cross). But the last week of the prophecy was all about the Messiah, the restoration of the city, the Sanctuary, the walls and the streets, the Levitical ceremonies and their way of life that was taken away from them by the Babyloninans.  And within the last "set aside" week the Messiah would arrive, be cut off yet He would fulfill His God given mission (9:24), establishe His church on the earth, send His holy spirit on Pentecost, do away with any further need for animal sacrifices and offerings, etc. Thw last week belongs to the Messiah, not some mythical boogeyman some 2000 years later. So, they may have all the stories made up about this future antiChrist figure (who does not exist), but they never discuss who the "little horn" of Daniel 7 and 8 is.. And so much of these two chapters focus on this little horn.

 

 

[Michael37]

18 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

but they never discuss who the "little horn" of Daniel 7 and 8 is..

Why should they? The Book of Revelation is an update that identifies 10 uncrowned horns on the Dragon, 10 crowned horns on the Beast from the Sea, and two horns like a lamb on the beast from the earth who is later referred to as the false prophet.

[Charlie744]

49 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Why should they? The Book of Revelation is an update that identifies 10 uncrowned horns on the Dragon, 10 crowned horns on the Beast from the Sea, and two horns like a lamb on the beast from the earth who is later referred to as the false prophet.

So why is God spending so much of His prophecies on the 10 toes, the 10 horns, the 10 kings, and the little horn?  Do you believe they only speak to the time of the end? Doesn't God tell us the little horn will continue until the end of time (not arrive at the end of time)? And that he will be destroyed without human hands (by God Himself)?

Just as the symbols in Chapter 2 of Daniel symbolize the 4 kingdoms that come out of the sea, God will also depict these 4 kingdoms in a very different manner in both Chapters 7 and 8. Same 4 kingdoms, but He will reveal different characteristics, attributes, and provide more information for us to identify them and how they are relevant within His plan of salvation for the Jews and mankind.

The more we understand about these symbols in Daniel, the more we can transfer that to the different symbols in Revelation. But Daniel was written for the Jews and His city for the coming Messiah in the first century. It was not written for an audience some 2000 years in the future... although it is certainly relevant to us.  But you can not really interpret Revelation without first interpreting Daniel... that is the way God decided this... He had Daniel written for the Jews and then Revcelation will look back and confirm Daniel but it will also add more to the story... just as Chapter's 7 and 8 add more to Chapter 2.

The little horn will appropriate His church for over 1500 years, claim equality and divinity with  God. He will change God's laws and commandments, preach a very different Gospel, declare salvation can only come through the RCC... Now, if you were to design an individual who would be "antiChrist" like on a truly global scale, do you think this individual would do more things against God over such a long period than the little horn?

 

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Just as the symbols in Chapter 2 of Daniel symbolize the 4 kingdoms that come out of the sea,

What?

[Diaste]

On 7/24/2024 at 4:28 PM, RealReligionofPeace said:

clearly this "little horn" despite appearing out of nowhere, 

Interesting.

Do you really think he comes from 'out of nowhere'?

I'm convinced we can know where he comes from.

Edited August 16, 2024 by Diaste

[Vine Abider]

On 7/24/2024 at 5:09 PM, Michael37 said:

The  Antichrist Exposers remind me of these police and detective movies and shows in which evidence gets bent and twisted to fit up a favourite suspect who turns out to be the wrong person.

According to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 there is a great apostasy before the true "anomos" is revealed.

I think Harris might be the one . . . oh wait, does it have to be a man?

[Progressive Truth]

15 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

The little horn will appropriate His church for over 1500 years, claim equality and divinity with  God. He will change God's laws and commandments, preach a very different Gospel, declare salvation can only come through the RCC... Now, if you were to design an individual who would be "antiChrist" like on a truly global scale, do you think this individual would do more things against God over such a long period than the little horn?

 

Charlie, I understand your point. The little horn/papacy is the "Antichrist". In past post you support your belief by citing Dan. 7,8, and 11. First, I confirm with you that the "little horn" of Dan. 7 is the papacy. I understand it received a deadly wound (Rev. 13:1-3)  in 1798. It has been in recovery since then and will be a member of the seven religious systems (seven heads) that make up 17 members (ten horns/world leaders) of the beast from the sea.

I think we both would agree that Satin Satan has been very influential within the RCC. However, during the tribulation, God will release Satin and his demons from their spiritual realm into human form so that the living can witness who exactly has been working through various religions and kingdoms in the past, leading the world into rebellion against our creator and redeemer. 

I believe it is critical to understand this profound teaching, least one be standing at the wrong bus stop, should they be living when these events come to pass. 

Please consider the following paraphrase of Dan. 8, and read all the texts in support.

Many people make the mistake of thinking the horn in Daniel 8 and the little horn in Daniel 7 are one and the same. There are several reasons why this is not possible. First, this prophecy completely “leapfrogs” the time periods of the fourth beast (168 B.C. - A.D. 476) and the little horn (538 -1798). The fourth empire in Daniel 7 (Rome) is not mentioned in this prophecy because the horn in Daniel 8 is not attached to any beast. 

This horn does not rise out of a world empire. It appears from out of nowhere, “out of the four winds,” specifically, out of the north. The north is prophetically important because it is often said in Scripture that divine wrath comes out of the north.(Isa. 41:25; Jer. 1;14: 6;1; Ez. 1:4) Second, within the context of this vision, a beast is a symbol of an empire and a horn is a symbol of a king. The mighty horn on the goat (verse 21) represents the first king of Greecia (Alexander the Great). Similarly, the horn that just appears out of the north represents “a stern-faced king” that will appear and overtake the world “when rebels have become completely wicked” (verse 23). Third, Gabriel told Daniel (verses 17 and 19) that this vision concerns the appointed time of the end which occurs after the 2,300 day/years expire in 1844. In other words, the horn in this vision will appear on Earth after 1844 – at the appointed time of the end. Prophecies 8 and 11 will further explain why this horn represents the physical appearing of Lucifer, the dreaded Antichrist. 

Jesus will permit Lucifer to physically appear before the people of Earth during the Great Tribulation. Jesus will release the devil from the Abyss at an appointed time to lead the world into destruction.(Rev. 9:1-11) Lucifer will deceive the wicked and his followers will be like the sand on the seashore. Lucifer will astonish Earth’s inhabitants with his miracles, boldness, and assumed authority. At the sixth trumpet, the devil will abolish all of the religions of the world and trample on them. He will claim to be Almighty God (Dan.11:36,37; 2 Thes. 2:4) and as such, he will demand that religious diversity be eliminated.(Rev. 13:14,15) He is The Master of Deception. He will deceive Moslems, Jews, Catholics, Atheists, Protestants, Eastern Mystics, and the Heathen by performing great signs and miracles – even calling re down from Heaven.( Rev. 13:13) He will eliminate the starry hosts – an ancient term used for various “gods” or whatever is worshiped as “God”( 2 Kings 17:16; 21:3-5; 2 Chron. 33:3-5) and he will demand that everyone honor and worship him as God Almighty.( Rev.13:15) 

{11} Lucifer will masquerade as Almighty God. He will bring to an end the daily ministry Jesus does on behalf of sinners by forcing everyone into a decision. Near the end of the Great Tribulation, everyone on Earth will have either the seal of God or the mark of the beast. With lies and deceit, Lucifer will trample on the honor and respect that belongs to man’s Creator.

 The 144,000 will lead many millions of people to receive Jesus as their Savior (see Prophecy 7), but the work of the 144,000 will eventually stall. At the appointed time, Jesus will release the devil from the Abyss and his horrific actions will cause many of the undecided wicked to repent and embrace the gospel. Lucifer will lead the defiant wicked into rebellion (2 These. 2:3-4) against the gospel of Jesus Christ and those who embrace it. The wicked will ridicule and reject the ministry and intercession that Jesus offers for individuals at Heaven’s Altar of Burnt Offering. Lucifer will lead the world into rebellion because he knows that no sinner can be saved on his own merits. Lucifer knows why Jesus died and he knows that salvation comes only through faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. Masquerading as Almighty God, Lucifer will demand that everyone on Earth obey him or be killed.( Rev.13:15) The choice will be simple: Submit to the laws of our Creator/Redeemer and face death, or submit to the laws of Lucifer and live a few months longer. (See Prophecy 12.) When every person has made a firm decision, Jesus’ daily intercession on behalf of individuals will close and God’s generous offer of salvation will end. 

{12} The horn power cannot appear physically on Earth until Jesus permits him to escape the Abyss. This event (see the fifth trumpet in Prophecy 8) will occur about two and a half years into the Great Tribulation. Because the carnal heart is naturally rebellious toward God and His authority, the devil will find it easy to deceive those who stubbornly rebel against the demands of the gospel of Jesus. Lucifer will lead the wicked to think that God’s saints are evil and rebellious, and soon after, the wicked will kill and destroy the saints thinking they are doing God a service.(Jh. 16:1-3) God’s people will be defeated. God will remove the power He gave to the 144,000 and the devil’s minions will kill them. (Dan. 12:7; Rev. 11:7) The wicked will commit the unpardonable sin. They will reject the clearest evidences of truth and defy the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Evil will temporarily triumph because truth will be thrown to the ground as if it were garbage. 

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

Charlie, I understand your point. The little horn/papacy is the "Antichrist". In past post you support your belief by citing Dan. 7,8, and 11. First, I confirm with you that the "little horn" of Dan. 7 is the papacy. I understand it received a deadly wound (Rev. 13:1-3)  in 1798. It has been in recovery since then and will be a member of the seven religious systems (seven heads) that make up 17 members (ten horns/world leaders) of the beast from the sea.

First, thank  you very much for taking the time and consideration to respond so thoughtfully. I would like to mention a few things that, hopefully, will address my previous interpretations / comments:

1) Yes, to me, there is absolutely no question that God has gone to great lengths to identify the little horn. Given all the characteristics, attributs and timing, he can only be the papacy or the evil one in Chapter 11.

2) I have approached Daniel as though I was living in Israel before the coming of the Messiah. Meaning, the Book of Daniel would be available to me within the Scriptures and the Tanach would be quite sufficient on its own to read, study and learn about the coming Messiah. It was indeed written for the Jews and His city wrapped within the 70 weeks of years prophecy. Therefore, I did not attempt to access Revelation and quite frankly, I know nothing of the final book. Consequently, I can not compare, reconcile or match the symbols, events and actors in Daniel to those found in Revelation. I am only doing Daniel if you will. And Daniel must be interpreted before one takes on Revelation, otherwise, as so many have already done, they have brought their own interpretations of Revelation back to Daniel... That is not the way God intended this to happen...

3) I cannot comment of Revelation nor use it as a source record to corroborate Daniel. 

 

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

I think we both would agree that Satin has been very influential within the RCC. However, during the tribulation, God will release Satin and his demons from their spiritual realm into human form so that the living can witness who exactly has been working through various religions and kingdoms in the past, leading the world into rebellion against our creator and redeemer. 

Again, I cannot comment on this.. Whether Satin is released during the 1000 years, with his fallen angels and forced to endure that time without any humans to deceive or some other interpretation, I have no idea. However, I do not believe God will allow Satan to come upon the earth to attack mankind as EVERYONE CONTENDS (7 year tribulation). There is no "antiChrist" found in Daniel or Revelation. The little horn is found in both and he will be destroyed by God....

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

I believe it is critical to understand this profound teaching, least one be standing at the wrong bus stop, should they be living when these events come to pass. 

Please consider the following paraphrase of Dan. 8, and read all the texts in support.

Many people make the mistake of thinking the horn in Daniel 8 and the little horn in Daniel 7 are one and the same. There are several reasons why this is not possible. First, this prophecy completely “leapfrogs” the time periods of the fourth beast (168 B.C. - A.D. 476) and the little horn (538 -1798). The fourth empire in Daniel 7 (Rome) is not mentioned in this prophecy because the horn in Daniel 8 is not attached to any beast. 

Ok, I am going to try an respond to your comments by breaking them into manageable sections (for me). The little horn of Daniel 7 is the same as in Chapter 8. Oh, I see ... I think!  I believe you are indicating the little horn of Daniel 7 might be AE around the time of 170 BC? And, the second little horn of Daniel 8 is the papacy? 

If that is the case, we do have a difference of opinion... but I believe I have heard this before. And unfortunately, it might be too difficult for me to respond as I would like since this is such a huge topic.  

Time periods: There are four and only four kingdoms identified in the Chapter 2 metal man image.  This is designed so that we can identify the exact 4 kingdoms that will be found, NOT IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS, but in God's Plan of salvation. God will include and exclude whatever events and actors that might be found in our history books... if they are not important within His Plan of salvation, they are not included... and we have to determine His very formal structure.

Therefore, He will purposely use metal types and defined parts of a man to ensure we understand each of the four kingdoms  are separate, unique, the actors and events will be only found within their respective kingdom, there is no bleeding of actors or events between the four kingdoms. He has given us the external and internal borders, boundaries, restrictions and guidlines so our interpretations can only be found within the kingdom He has chosen.

i will  jump to the 3rd kingdom because you may be referring to AE as being the first little horn - Daniel 7. After the death of Alexander, God will identify that his kingdom will be given over to his 4 generals. But the kingdom is Alexander's kingdom and he was given a specific mission to fulfill with regard to His people. The four generals were not given a "mission" but simple were identified to "close out" the 3rd kingdom ... awaiting the coming of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome. 

There is nothing in Daniel that hints, refers to, speaks about anyone, no actors or events that took place once the 3rd kingdom was "closed out" (time of the 4 generals) and the start of the 4th kingdom. Again, there is no bleeding between these two kingdoms and their is no space / place / gap / etc., found in the metal man image between any of the kingdoms. Thus, AE, the Ptolemy's, the Seluecid's, Cleopatra, etc., do not belong either in the 3rd or the 4th kingdoms. They are indeed found in our history books but they have been brought into our interpretations of Daniel because they are attempting to interpret Daniel using a "historical" approach. Meaning, they have the book of Daniel on the left side of their desk and their history books on the right side and attempt ot find the actors and events that can be found in our history books to those extremely difficult verses in Daniel. Which is why I have mentioned that the ONLY source records to interpret Daniel is the Book of Daniel and those applicable verses in the Tanakh that speak of the coming Messiah. Therefore, there is no reconciliation needed, and also, as mentioned above, no need to compare with the Book of Revelation... The Jews had the Tanakh to access and I believe that God felt they had all they needed to read, study and interpret Daniel. 

So, no AE or those actors and events post Alexander and pre-pagan Rome have no place in Daniel.

 

Horns:  In Chapter 2, God chose the metal man image and the parts of a man (like a belt and suspenders approach), to ensure we understood just what 4 kingdoms and actors He was speaking about in the Book of Daniel (all 12 chapters). He will use different symbols in Chapter 7 that reveal their animal type nature willing to destroy the next kingdom and like wild animals, they do not concern themselves with God whatsoever. It is a different view of the four kingdoms / mankind that in Chapter 2 - but they are the same four kingdoms. God is not changing the players from chapter 1 to 12.. As a matter of fact, the ONLY new actor not revealed in Chapter 2 is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8. And that is indeed purposeful....

However, in Chapter 8, God will once again depart from the symbols used in either Chapters 2 or 7. Now, He will begin to carve out those specific actors or kingdoms that will continue forward within His Plan of salvation. He will ONLY identify those actors by their "horns." Before, His symbols were at the "kingdom" level, now, they will be identified (or left out) depending on whether He has assigned them a "horn" (power). There are only 3 powers / horns that God wants us to foucs on: the two horned ram of the Medes- Persia, the one horned he-goat of Greece, and the final and only remaining horn of the fourth kingdom - the little horn. And you will note that pagan Rome is NOT included... they have not been assigned a "horn." Also, it is clear that there are no horns given to any actor such as AE or the Ptolemy's, etc. They simply are only to be found in our history books.

So, the little horn of Daniel 7 comes out of the 4th beast kingdom of pagan Rome... not the 3rd kingdom of Greece or between the two kingdoms. He  will come out of pagan Rome AFTER the 10 horns come out of pagan Rome. The 10 horns are the same as the 10 toes in the Chapter 2 image.

 

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

This horn does not rise out of a world empire. It appears from out of nowhere, “out of the four winds,” specifically, out of the north.

I understand your comment. He does not arise out of nowhere. He definitely comes out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome just after the 10 toes / 10 horns come out of pagan Rome. And he does come out of the four winds as opposed to the 4 generals who come out of the 3rd kingdom and "TOWARDS THE FOUR WINDS." Here, God is telling us these four generals are being thrown into the four winds or the turmoil and instability of the post Alexander kingdom. But the little horn will come directly out of pagan Rome and as he climbs to power, one will definitely emerge FROM OUT OF THE FOUR WINDS. Meaning, the Gentile / Christian church would grow exponentially within the first 400 years after the cross. The Gentiles would dominate the church which began with the disciples and those Jews who accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Those Gentiles withi this powerful Gentile /Christian church would structiure the church in an Imperial Roman type structure with levels of powers (priests, bishops, etc.) with tremendous powers the higher they climbed within this organiztion. There was much turmoil, fighting within this church. There would be four separate Gentile/Christian powers - Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria and Rome. They each wanted to be the head of this new church. It will be the bishops of the Roman church that would rise to the top. This is the four winds of turmoil, infighting, etc., when the bishops of Rome will rise to the top. And soon, the bishop  of Rome will  become known as the pope (little horn).

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

 

The north is prophetically important because it is often said in Scripture that divine wrath comes out of the north.(Isa. 41:25; Jer. 1;14: 6;1; Ez. 1:4) Second, within the context of this vision, a beast is a symbol of an empire and a horn is a symbol of a king. The mighty horn on the goat (verse 21) represents the first king of Greecia (Alexander the Great). Similarly, the horn that just appears out of the north represents “a stern-faced king” that will appear and overtake the world “when rebels have become completely wicked” (verse 23). Third, Gabriel told Daniel (verses 17 and 19) that this vision concerns the appointed time of the end which occurs after the 2,300 day/years expire in 1844. In other words, the horn in this vision will appear on Earth after 1844 – at the appointed time of the end. Prophecies 8 and 11 will further explain why this horn represents the physical appearing of Lucifer, the dreaded Antichrist. 

Again, I understand your comments. Daniel 7 is speaking about the little horn that comes out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome. Now, regarding the 2300 days prophecy in Chapter 8, this has nothing to do with 1844. I understand where this originates. The 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy given to Daniel in Chapter 8 by God Himself (time element) speakd directly to the last week in the 70 weeks of years prophecy. It is not to be converted into years. It specifically relates to what it is identified with ... the cleansing of the Sanctuary. Now, can you name me more than one individual who can cleanse the Sanctuary? No, only the Messiah can and did cleanse the Sanctuary during  the last week of His ministry - the last 7 years of the 70 weeks.

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

Jesus will permit Lucifer to physically appear before the people of Earth during the Great Tribulation. Jesus will release the devil from the Abyss at an appointed time to lead the world into destruction.(Rev. 9:1-11) Lucifer will deceive the wicked and his followers will be like the sand on the seashore. Lucifer will astonish Earth’s inhabitants with his miracles, boldness, and assumed authority. At the sixth trumpet, the devil will abolish all of the religions of the world and trample on them.

Again, I can not comment on this as I have not studied Revelation but there is nothing in Daniel that remotely speaks to this...

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

 

He will claim to be Almighty God (Dan.11:36,37; 2 Thes. 2:4) and as such, he will demand that religious diversity be eliminated.(Rev. 13:14,15)

The evil one in Chapter 11 is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 who will continue until the end of time... he does not arrive at the time  of  the end. God will destroy him personally. 

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

 

He is The Master of Deception. He will deceive Moslems, Jews, Catholics, Atheists, Protestants, Eastern Mystics, and the Heathen by performing great signs and miracles – even calling re down from Heaven.( Rev. 13:13) He will eliminate the starry hosts – an ancient term used for various “gods” or whatever is worshiped as “God”( 2 Kings 17:16; 21:3-5; 2 Chron. 33:3-5) and he will demand that everyone honor and worship him as God Almighty.( Rev.13:15) 

Completely agree. But he is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.

 

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

{11} Lucifer will masquerade as Almighty God. He will bring to an end the daily ministry Jesus does on behalf of sinners by forcing everyone into a decision. Near the end of the Great Tribulation, everyone on Earth will have either the seal of God or the mark of the beast. With lies and deceit, Lucifer will trample on the honor and respect that belongs to man’s Creator.

 The 144,000 will lead many millions of people to receive Jesus as their Savior (see Prophecy 7), but the work of the 144,000 will eventually stall. At the appointed time, Jesus will release the devil from the Abyss and his horrific actions will cause many of the undecided wicked to repent and embrace the gospel. Lucifer will lead the defiant wicked into rebellion (2 These. 2:3-4) against the gospel of Jesus Christ and those who embrace it. The wicked will ridicule and reject the ministry and intercession that Jesus offers for individuals at Heaven’s Altar of Burnt Offering. Lucifer will lead the world into rebellion because he knows that no sinner can be saved on his own merits. Lucifer knows why Jesus died and he knows that salvation comes only through faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. Masquerading as Almighty God, Lucifer will demand that everyone on Earth obey him or be killed.( Rev.13:15) The choice will be simple: Submit to the laws of our Creator/Redeemer and face death, or submit to the laws of Lucifer and live a few months longer. (See Prophecy 12.) When every person has made a firm decision, Jesus’ daily intercession on behalf of individuals will close and God’s generous offer of salvation will end. 

I cannot begin to comment on any of this... except, none of this can be found in Daniel.

 

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

{12} The horn power cannot appear physically on Earth until Jesus permits him to escape the Abyss. This event (see the fifth trumpet in Prophecy 8) will occur about two and a half years into the Great Tribulation. Because the carnal heart is naturally rebellious toward God and His authority, the devil will find it easy to deceive those who stubbornly rebel against the demands of the gospel of Jesus. Lucifer will lead the wicked to think that God’s saints are evil and rebellious, and soon after, the wicked will kill and destroy the saints thinking they are doing God a service.(Jh. 16:1-3) God’s people will be defeated. God will remove the power He gave to the 144,000 and the devil’s minions will kill them. (Dan. 12:7; Rev. 11:7) The wicked will commit the unpardonable sin. They will reject the clearest evidences of truth and defy the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Evil will temporarily triumph because truth will be thrown to the ground as if it were garbage. 

Sorry, I have no understanding  of Revelation and cannot comment on this... but, if you are, as millions have done, try to bring these interpretations back into Daniel, I can assure you, they cannot not be found in Daniel. Which brings me back to the earlier comment. Daniel must be interpreted first and then that understanding will help interpret Revelation. They will not conflict with each other but so many have used Revelation to interpret Daniel.

 

1 hour ago, Progressive Truth said:

 

 

I look forward to your thought and comments...

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

I think we both would agree that Satin has been very influential within the RCC.

Prophecies 8 and 11 will further explain why this horn represents the physical appearing of Lucifer, the dreaded Antichrist. 

More corrections:

# The word is Satan, not Satin which is a type of fabric.

# The name "Lucifer" does not appear in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament. The term "Lucifer" is derived from the Latin word *lucifer*, meaning "light-bringer" or "morning star." This Latin term was used in the Vulgate translation of the Bible to translate the Hebrew word הֵילֵל (*Helel*), which appears in Isaiah 14:12¹².

In the context of Isaiah 14:12, הֵילֵל (*Helel*) refers to a "shining one" or "morning star," and the passage is traditionally understood to be a taunt against the king of Babylon²³. Over time, Christian tradition associated this passage with the fall of Satan, leading to the INCORRECT use of "Lucifer" as a name for Satan²⁴. There is a distinction between the pre-fall identity and character of Lucifer the Light-bringer, and his post-fall identity and character as Satan the Adversary

If you have any more questions about biblical texts or related topics, feel free to ask!

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