It is easy to say No Abortions, but

[Ray12614]

On 8/10/2024 at 1:52 PM, ayin jade said:

Glad to see this. Your initial post had me wondering.

Giving a child up for adoption is a better option over abortion, if the woman does not wish to keep it. Abstinence is an even better option but realistically does not happen. 

Glad to hear that Neighbor . . . . I also was wondering.

To those who say that they are not in favor of abortion reading this I have a few thoughts about that . . . 

1. To say I am not in favor of abortion tends to give the impression that we personally don't like it, but, we will tolerate it and say that others can do it.

2. IF we saw a child drowning . . . would we say that we are not in favor of it, but, if they wanted to swim and drown then its okay for them?

3. IF we saw somebody murdering another, would we say the same and say that we are not personally in favor of murder, but, allow others to do it?

4. Murder is wrong period. Yes, I get involved when I see unjust laws being crafted by wicked men and women who desire to kill babies. I marched regularly for 30 years to protest and bring awareness to this horrific violent act of killing children, and I certainly will not vote for any polititian to tolerates that sin either.

As others have expressed . . . I support laws banning abortion just as I support laws banning murder. There IS NO Differance.

Ray . . . 

[Sower]

9 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, I am not attempting to lay a guilt trip. I am asking a serious question hoping to hear something that may  give me new insight, guidance, and encouragement. 

What have I done? I fear to say in that to say is to receive my reward I suppose.

Let me put it this way: God over the past four and a half decades has given me challenge as well as opportunity to be of help, either helping a ministry or helping individuals directly. More often that not it involved  a time of prayer after seeing a need and a joint confirmation  by and with the wife of my youth my helpmate of 46 years till death did part us ( I am now twice blessed in that regard).

I am presently very interested to see how I might be physically able to get involved yet again in such ministries as two that are associated with but not part of the local body  of Christ that I am led to associate with when I can.

One being housing for abused women, often the pregnant woman alone in the world that is in need and was  seeking  help while thinking abortion had to be her answer to her pregnancy. And second,  another ministry that provides healthcare  for pregnant women as an alternative to abortion  including all the prenatal care they may need.

I am also interested in housing and provisions for the wandering homeless of today.

I tend to end up  in  a situations of providing helps. It may be helping to get someone else started in their own ministry in these areas. One to this day  runs a few homes where they hide out abused women  and help them with their young babies.

I personally have walked the woods behind the housing "projects" literally the jungle woods to find a couple living in a cardboard refrigerator box that were in need for their baby, while I was assisting my first wife at her number one love a ministry that counseled women that were pregnant and that provided  prenatal care , cribs, baby formulas, foods, bedding, etc.

We together came close to buying that non profit at one time but were led elsewhere into helping   family establish a  Christian school situated at a place  to help the poor that could not generally afford private Christian education. That one took much family involvement and quite a bit of financial  stretching too. It to this day  tends to the education of 350 students.

What else can I share without getting to involved in what God leads me into; Hmmm, oh just a little thing, but one that I am so glad God provided us opportunity one day, as it blessed my wife and myself to have been led to the need: I was at our newly constructed apartments when  my flats concrete workers came up in their rig  to say hello and ask if I had more work to be done. I asked how is it going? And they broke down, saying it is hard the economy is so bad etc.  The baby has no food, or diapers, we have nothing to eat right now.

 I had nothing on me in the way of money as we were pretty well broke too. But I drove on home  some 48 miles talked to my wife and said I think we need pray,  our flats workers are in trouble. She prayed and pulled out what we could to  go buy food diapers etc, and I drove back 48 miles to their little apartment and left off the packages.  

God has led us at the right time and place over the many decades it seems. Some so awesome I just have need to keep it to myself.

I just don't want to miss an opportunity simply because I am now aged. Thing is I have to concede I am  more than a bit busted up and getting slower of mind too. And so I do ask  in many a situation "So what now?" What will you have of your friends and servants Lord? What will you have of this one? Are we good,- is it good between you and me? Am I missing something Lord?

 

Sounds great. But for those who may be moved by your testimony and perhaps feel a desire to be involved, where could they go to do the most good. What organizations do you recommend if their church hasn't one.

Some may not feel they are bold enough to do it on their own and would like you to give some information so as to familiarize them in different areas to be involved as the Lord leads. Some can give financial support, and others with small funds but available time would be encouraged if they knew better how to go about it.

There can be a neat blessing to the Lord if this thread encouraged Christians to be more involved hands on and not just simply debating the issue. Perhaps the names of organizations nation wide or local you would recommend that are recognized and are familiar with helping those who have a heart to help. Never know the Lords ways to bring about Christian growth, and opportunity to bless others..

Thanks Neighbor...

[Neighbor]

1 minute ago, Sower said:

There can be a neat blessing to the Lord if this thread encouraged Christians to be more involved hands on and not just simply debating the issue. Perhaps the names of organizations nation wide or local you would recommend that are recognized and are familiar with helping those who have a heart to help. Never know the Lords ways to bring about Christian growth, and opportunity to bless others..

 

Interesting thought. I'll have to prayerfully think that over. I kinda don't want to be selling a particular ministry. That plus I am really torn right now as I am frustrated at not getting back to the mountains where I felt we have been called to go. Yet it just keeps slip sliding away without even opportunity to plant nor  tend the fruit tree to maturity never mind pick the fruit.

BUT by golly there was an excellent sermon, more a talk,  Sunday that  addressed so many issues  thatI think we all are facing right now. I am eager for it to be posted online today so I can revisit it. pray, think, and study on it. With hope  that might be that "here's your sign" moment. 

[TheBlade]

Laying a guilt trip on someone that does not know Christ never helps. I wonder if most believers think abortion is some greater sin. Hey even Christ said the one that turned Him over has the greater sin. Yet to God a lie is just as bad. I don't know many show them He came died for then to set them free. Teaching Sunday school many years ago talking about this young girl ooh she got so mad crying. They didn't want me to teach that class. Not long after that something happened and her and her boy friend were helping us and she shared how she had an abortion was saying sorry but.. yeah she didn't have to and I had no way of knowing. 

But the classic we live and learn. Gonna make a safe bet most believers don't know whats it like to take a life then be preached at over and over how your a killer on and on. Not like family that lived next door to on ran by two gay women. The kids would go over and bring them cookies and things and invite them to dinner never once condemning them. Well one night they came over both got saved stopped living together on and on. 

No one is sinning against you or me. This world needs to know He GOD loves them came to die for them. To know there is a way out. A woman you know the story caught in sin tossed at His feet. Some wonder was she naked because she was caught in adultery and they had every right under the law to stone her. So what did He do? Yeah today just who are the ones bringing the sinners or believers that sin tossing them at His feet? 

Abortion a sin amen

[Marathoner]

On 8/10/2024 at 2:07 AM, ladypeartree said:

I had 7 miscarriages after being told I could never have children  I did have them and sad to say lost two sons after ..it breaks my heart to hear of healthy women  carrying healthy children because of choices THEY made then murdering said children as it is inconvenient to give birth to them. We do not live in a time of ignorance There are plenty of birth control opportunities ( including abstinence ) if you chose to ignore them who should suffer the consequences  ?   The guilty or the innocent ? If an innocent person was put to death for the crimes of a guilty person there would be outcry so why not when millions of innocents are condemned ?

In all fairness, an innocent was indeed put to death for the crimes of the guilty: our Lord Jesus Christ.

The only thing I will say with regard to this topic is this: no one knows the circumstances that others face unless they serve them where they are. I read a great deal of whining and bellyaching about helping those in need, and this is common here in the United States among the religious. This whining and bellyaching is justified by demonizing the unfortunate, painting them all with the same wicked paint brush. 

The measure which we use to judge others will be measured to us by the Lord. Ignorance is not an excuse, not when the blind claim they can see. 

[Sower]

28 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

This whining and bellyaching is justified by demonizing the unfortunate, painting them all with the same wicked paint brush. 

I think we all know there a mass amount of people in this world who are fighting battles we know nothing about, thus we should always be kind, and considerate, no matter the battle they fight.

That could be me but by God's grace.

I was hoping to generate interest in helping, not just the mom but the baby as well.
There are so many adoption agency's today, secular and faith based, if only they could put the pregnant moms in touch with them for housing pre birth and later to get with adoption agencies.

Trying to get the word out here to those that may consider and be led to be involved.
Hoping someone here would pick up on this who may be informed of this issue.
You never know how God works out his plans...

Thanks Marathoner..

Getting into trouble is bad for anyone and it happens to all of us.
Eliminating a life to escape a bad decision  goes beyond my understanding of a human.
It has become acceptable in today's society. Not right.
And I do not have to defend my position.
Pray for the moms. Pray for the helpless babies.

PS. If you can still find it, watch 'The Silent Scream'

I doubt the availability anymore. Reality. Wholesale.