Hear the Gospel. Believe the Gospel. Then what?

[Mr. M]

1 Peter 4:

17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God;

and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those

who do not obey the gospel of God? 

18 Now

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God 

commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

Where does obedience to the Gospel begin?

A divestiture in worldly interests.

2 Thessalonians 1:

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus

shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,

and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction

from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints,

and to be admired in all them that believe because our testimony

among you was believed in that day.

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[Knowledge Wrestler]

The problem is that no one knows what the gospel is. It's scandalous that we are in a belief system that has lost its central belief.

[Mr. M]

2 hours ago, Knowledge Wrestler said:

The problem is that no one knows what the gospel is. It's scandalous that we are in a belief system that has lost its central belief.

Would you please identify that central belief?

and what has replaced that belief?

As for a definition for the Gospel:

Romans 1:

The Just Live by Faith

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,

for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, 

for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 

17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith;

as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

Thanks for sharing.

[Knowledge Wrestler]

Rom 1:16 describes the resulting benefit of the Gospel, not what it is. So sad that the central teaching of Christianity is not known, as seen just now.

 

An example of a similar situation is this :

My favorite aunt left me her house in her will. That's the good news.

 

My bank can permit the loan I need for my medical procedure to be released, now that I can provide collateral. This is the resulting benefit of the good news.

 

Also I can go to college with the same loan. Another benefit.

 

After College, I can open my accounting office. Another benefit.

 

And so on.

 

So the resulting benefits have replaced the Gospel.

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Added example

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, Knowledge Wrestler said:

Rom 1:16 describes the resulting benefit of the Gospel, not what it is. So sad that the central teaching of Christianity is not known, as seen just now.

BTW, welcome to the forum.

 

Salvation is a central issue. Yeshua means "The Lord is salvation".

Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.

What I advocate for in the preaching of the Gospel is this

key point that is often neglected and aligns with 1 John 4:

John 20:

30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence

of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 

31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ,

the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

You are off topic here and offering nothing edifying by your criticisms.

If you would like to continue in this topic discussion, please answer

the question posed in the title. No one can test your spirit when you 

have not stated your belief. Go for it!

Of course, many believe the Gospel is summed up by John 3:16.

At the end of the day, "the power of God for salvation to all who believe"

is not based on a "belief system", it is coming to know our Savior

personally and intimately that He may manifest in and through us.

 

Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection,

and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death.

Ah! There is another central issue of the Gospel, the Resurrection.

What you are calling a lack of knowledge concerning the Gospel,

I simply see unbelief, rejection of Truth, and a preference for darkness.

John 3:

20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come

to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 

21 But he who does the truth comes to the light,

that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

[Knowledge Wrestler]

You say I have avoided responding to the OP, which states that hearing is not enough, obedience is required. However, you have not clarified What the gospel is.

Before I proceed with so clarifying, I would like to say that our views must have a methodology for confirming which is the correct view. Otherwise, it will result in a "He said, she said" situation.

 

Would you agree that the correct view is the one with the most coherence, and the most support?

 

[tatwo]

8 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Salvation is a central issue. Yeshua means "The Lord is salvation".

Not really Mr. M..."salvation" is the beginning of our spiritual life...the "central issue" is growing up and being "formed" in Christ likeness. 

Tatwo...:)

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, Knowledge Wrestler said:

Would you agree that the correct view is the one with the most coherence, and the most support?

Scriptural support sure="at the testimony of two or three witnesses".

You have not.

3 minutes ago, Knowledge Wrestler said:

You say I have avoided responding to the OP, which states that hearing is not enough, obedience is required. However, you have not clarified What the gospel is.

Neither have you. Quite the impasse. You refuse to answer the question until I provide a definition of the Gospel that meets your standard. FYI it is defined by the articles of faith of the forum which you agreed to. If you feel they are in error, address your concerns to the site.

[other one]

[Knowledge Wrestler]

Ok, so your gospel is that Jesus is our salvation. Obedience to the Gospel is do good deeds. See, it isn't coherent. There is no command in your gospel. Therefore, we don't know what we have to be obedient to.

 

Secondly, the same gospel was announced to Abraham, and to the Exodus group. What was the command there? And how did they obey?

 

Gal 3.8, Heb 4.2

 

After you reply, I will show coherence and support for the alternative view.

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