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[Thomas2]

Try your best to show we see darkly, from other verses, other than the two you have written your idea about, do you think there are any ?

There are many scriptures, too many, all showing what LIGHT WE ARE IN.

 

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

[AdHoc]

On 9/7/2024 at 1:53 PM, Thomas2 said:

Insight is what was told ( knowledge) wont save us, charity,( kindness, humility, belief in all things) edifies is what is told, will.

Compare the words, of seeing darkly/in a dark place and how that changes through charity..

 

 

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

2 Peter 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I understand them to be two different things. One is the knowledge and the other is how it is transmitted. Knowledge transmitted by a Christian who is puffed up must be judged true or untrue. The Christian who is puffed up by this knowledge stands before His Master alone to be judged. I am excluded from this process. - forbidden to judge. I welcome the truth always, even if the carrier of the truth isn't perfect.

Our brother who wrote the OP touched an important point. I thank him for it.

[PATrobas]

4 hours ago, Thomas2 said:

Try your best to show we see darkly, from other verses, other than the two you have written your idea about, do you think there are any ?

There are many scriptures, too many, all showing what LIGHT WE ARE IN.

 

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Prov. 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Gal. 6:3 3  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

1 Tim. 1:5-7  Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1 Tim. 6:3-4  If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

And especially the one I started with 1 Cor. 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, PATrobas said:

Prov. 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Gal. 6:3 3  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

1 Tim. 1:5-7  Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1 Tim. 6:3-4  If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

And especially the one I started with 1 Cor. 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

My brother, it would seem that all agree with you. I do. But in our failure as perfectly motivated men, we often point out the truth with less than perfect motives. Our failure to be perfect should not stop us telling the truth.

God once led a donkey to tell the truth. Afterwards he was still a donkey.

[PATrobas]

17 hours ago, AdHoc said:

My brother, it would seem that all agree with you. I do. But in our failure as perfectly motivated men, we often point out the truth with less than perfect motives. Our failure to be perfect should not stop us telling the truth.

God once led a donkey to tell the truth. Afterwards he was still a donkey.

Duly noted. I apologize.

[steve morrow]

A  MULTITUDE  OF  LIGHT  AVAILABLE  ---  A  MULTITUDE  OF  DARKNESS  SPOKEN

 

LIGHT

PSALM 119:130  the entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple 

ISAIAH 8:20  to the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them 

PROVERBS 6:23  for the commandment is a lamp and the law is light and reproofs of instruction are the way of life 

JOHN 8:12  then spake  JESUS  again unto them saying  I  AM  THE  LIGHT  of the world he that followeth  ME  shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life 

GALATIANS 6:2  bear you one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of  CHRIST 

HEBREWS 7:12  for the priesthood being changed there is of necessity a change also of the law 

2 CORINTHIANS 4:6  for  GOD  who commanded the light to shine out of darkness hath shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of  GOD  in the face of  JESUS  CHRIST

 

DARKNESS

JOB 38:2  who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge

PSALM 119:36  incline my heart unto thy testimonies and not to covetousness 

PSALM 119:119  thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross therefore I love thy testimonies

EZEKIEL 33:31  and they come unto thee as the people cometh and they sit before thee as  MY  people and they hear thy words but they will not do them for with their mouth they show much love but their heart goeth after their covetousness  

EPHESIANS 5:5  for this you know that no whoremonger nor unclean person nor covetous man ---who is an idolater--- hath any inheritance in the kingdom of  CHRIST  AND  OF  GOD

2 CORINTHIANS  be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness and what communion hath light with darkness 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[TheBlade]

I think there's a huge difference today. Well who was he writing to? Who taught them?  I agree with seeing through a darken glass. Well what's written? "For now we see". I like they way the AMP says it "For now [in this time of imperfection] we see in a mirror dimly [a blurred reflection, a riddle, an enigma], but then [when the time of perfection comes we will see reality] face to face. Now I know in part [just in fragments], but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known [by God]."

Yeah.. after this life then we will see what we never could here. I don't see this as if we see through love then we truly can see. I might have that wrong but Paul or really the sweet holy Spirit didn't say that, it was after. See for me that is not what he was talking about. Well no matter what you and I think we know or can know.. say it to Him see what happens. Every time you find out.. you never saw it all. This comes not by love but by the sweet sweet holy Spirit. He is the one that shows us tell us about Christ and the Father and never talks about himself (I say he yet.. its not). See no pun.. but see right there the Holy Spirit who talks as in the Holy sprit said "While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said".  

My point sorry not good with words.. never going to see or understand with out Him.  I know you might have never wondered why I try to always say "sweet sweet Holy Spirit". So easy to grieve Him. Yet some ask how can you grieve someone you never met or close to. We won't know anything without Him. 

[steve morrow]

WHO  WRITTEN  TO  AND  BY  WHOM  WAS  IT  INSPIRED

 

JOB 40:8  wilt thou also disannul my judgment wilt thou condemn  ME  that thou mayest be righteous 

PSALM 40:4  blessed is that man that maketh  THE  LORD  his trust and respecteth not the proud nor such as turn to lies

ROMANS 2:11  for there is no respect of persons with  GOD

ROMANS  10:12  for there is no difference between the jew and the greek for the same  LORD  over all is rich unto all that call upon  HIM

ACTS 10:34  then Peter opened his mouth and said of a truth I perceive  GOD  is no respecter of persons 

--10:35--  but in every nation he that feareth  HIM  and worketh righteousness is accepted with  HIM

 

COLOSSIANS 3:25  but he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done and there is no respect of persons 

ECCLESIASTES 8:11  because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil 

PSALM 52:3  thou lovest evil more than good and lying rather than to speak righteousness 

 

2 TIMOTHY 3:16  all scripture is given by inspiration of  GOD  and is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness 

 

PROVERBS 1:23  turn you at  MY  reproof I will pour out  MY  spirit unto you I will make known  MY  words unto you 

JOHN 3:34  for  HE  whom  GOD  hath sent speaketh the words of  GOD  for  GOD  giveth not the spirit by measure unto  HIM

ACTS 2:18  and on  MY  servants and on  MY  handmaidens I will pour out in those days of  MY  spirit and they shall prophesy

REVELATION 19:10  and I fell at his feet to worship him and he said unto me see thou do it not I am thy fellow servant and of thy brethren that have the testimony of  JESUS  worship  GOD  for the testimony of  JESUS  is the spirit of prophecy 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life 

 

PSALM 141:6  when their judges are overthrown in stony places they shall hear  MY  words for they are sweet

2 TIMOTHY 2:7  consider what I say and  THE  LORD  give thee understanding in all things 

 

MATTHEW 15:9  but in vain they do worship  ME  teaching for doctrines the commandments of men 

COLOSSIANS 2:22  which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men 

2 JOHN 1:9  whosoever transgesseth and abideth not in the doctrine of  CHRIST  hath not  GOD  he that abideth in the doctrine of  CHRIST  he hath both  THE  FATHER  AND  THE  SON

PSALM 119:172  my tongue shall speak of thy word for all thy commandments are righteousness 

EPHESIANS 5:9  for the fruit of the spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

ROMANS 8:4  that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit 

 

2 CORINTHIANS 3:17  now  THE  LORD  is that spirit and where the spirit of  THE  LORD  is there is liberty

--3:18-- but we all with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of  THE  LORD  are changed into the same image from glory to glory even as by the spirit of  THE  LORD

 

PROVERBS 8:8  all the words of  MY  mouth are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them 

PROVERBS 15:4  a wholesome tongue is a tree of life but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit 

PSALM 119:103  how sweet are thy words unto my taste yes sweeter than honey to my mouth

 

EPHESIANS 6:17  and take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit which is the word of  GOD

2 THESSALONIANS 2:8  and then shall that wicked be revealed whom  THE  LORD  shall consume with the spirit of  HIS  mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of  HIS  coming

 

REVELATION 19:13  and he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and  HIS  name is called the word of  GOD

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[BibleStudent100]

On 9/8/2024 at 1:38 PM, AdHoc said:

My brother, it would seem that all agree with you. I do. But in our failure as perfectly motivated men, we often point out the truth with less than perfect motives. Our failure to be perfect should not stop us telling the truth.

God once led a donkey to tell the truth. Afterwards he was still a donkey.

Great example of how we should not hold back in telling the message of the truth of God's kingdom despite our flaws and imperfections.  In many ways, we are all "donkeys."