A Four Horsemen Perspective

[TCC]

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Indeed, all 7 Seals have to be taken off before the scroll can be read at all. The Seals are Jesus "metaphorically" in heave, telling the pre 70th week/pre trib. church what is about to befall mankind once the 7th Seal is finally loosed.

 

Let me give you a simple demonstration. Lets says its my 50th birthday bash. I have friends from college sending me gifts, my kids, my wife et al. We plan on having this party on a Saturday 5 days after my birthday. So, the wife locks up all the gifts in the closet and she puts 7 Locks on this Closet door. 

After all my friends show up on Sat. I commence to opening the gifts, which I already know what they are, of course, but first I have to take these 7 locks off the door. I take the first lock off and tell how my best friend in college sent a Harmonica, I take the 2nd lock off and tell about the shirt my daughter bought me, lets skip to lock #6 (smile). I take lock #6 off and tell about how my dad got me an autograph picture of my fav. Baseball player from the Mets or Braves. 

Now, I have told my friends about these gifts, not since lock #7 is still on the closet no one has seen anything as of yet. When I open the 7th Seal, there is no need to say anything further, I just open the door staying silent. That is how Jesus is, IMHO, opening the 7 Seals, his intent is to foretell what is soon to come upon mankind, un to the church which is is heaven listening unto him.

 

They are the very things Jesus who is all knowing, understands will come to pass during this evil tyrants rule. So, Jesus foretells this mans actions over his 42 month reign over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region (not the Whole World) and Jess also foretells of God's coming Wrath via this Asteroid Impact which will start in Rev. 8, which is why the 7th Seal is in Rev. 8.

The main reason I could put this all together is I understood the whole Covenant (Agreement) of Daniel 9 for what it is, not Israel joining up with a False Jesus/A.C. who will be a Gentile (they would never do that) what it is, is this, Israel joins the E.U. its that simple, that is the Agreement that angers God and kicks off the 70th week, Israel, basically, gives God land away. The Rapture happens at that moment AND the 70th week starts.  This made me look at Rev. 7 differently, I knew Israel repented before the DOTL (1260 middle of the week). Thus Rev. 7 being after Rev. 6 meant the Seals are not God's Wrath, but foretells that coming Wrath as seen in Rev. 8, therefore Rev. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea.

As John 16:33 says via Jesus, ALL TIME on this earth is tribulation, that is why those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 are the Pre Trib. Raptured Church. Not Tribulation Saints, no one who misses the Wedding Call will be in Heaven before Jesus' 2nd coming, Rev. 20:4 proves this, the Martyrs are all raised and judged AFTER the 2nd coming. So, yes the 70th week is all TRIBULATION, as is every day on this earth under Babylon (Satan's Dark Rule over the whole world) but the Greatest Ever Troubles only start in the middle of the week or on day 1260. The tribulation will thus last for 1260 days. 

God does not use Astrology, its simply a CODE about the PLAYERS, and then we get the Futuristic Prophecy of the Woman (Israel) see Gen. 9:37 that CODE unscrambles it all. The Dragon is Satan, Jesus is the Male Child (that's how it should be translated) and Satan via King Herod tried to kill Baby Jesus, he then rises to Heaven where he is our High Priest. At the very end, starting in verse 6, we see that the Dragon chases the woman (Israel) for 1260 days where God the Father protects them for 1260 days. 

Now read Rev. 15 it also starts out John saw a SIGN  in Heaven . All it means is God was showing John signs in the heavenlies. The Dragon has access to the Heaven  until he is cast down at the 1260, then he tries to wipe out Israel via the A.C. Army, but he will of course fail. 

 

On my Substack I explain every chapter in the book of Revelation.

God Bless.

 

 

Interesting perspective brother. But you would see the 70th week as 3.5 days? Does this forum permit you to post your substack link for consideration? Thanks. Blessings. 

[TCC]

3 hours ago, DavidReese said:

Being simple in my mind the three woes because I believe the two witnesses are one of the woes. This army kills the two witnesses.

¹⁴ Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.¹⁵ And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.¹⁶ And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.¹⁷ And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.¹⁸ By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Then the second woe, because of the sixth trumpet

 

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.² And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.³ And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Then the third woe, the sun is smitten and earth rotates faster in turn will cause the grass to die off

¹² And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.¹³ And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

My little mind though?

Just makes me think

I understand the book of Revelation is tricky in its poetic style. As you have noted above though, you have the 3rd woe as the 4th trumpet and the second woe as the 6th trumpet? Blessings. 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 9/9/2024 at 1:55 PM, TCC said:

But no culture or history has ever had a white horse as deception

Napoleon liked to be depicted on a white horse.

The view I believe is that the four horses represent four overlapping
periods of time.

The first started as soon as Christ ascended, He sat down
at the right hand of God, Hebrews 12:2, and opened the seal
at the right hand of God, Revelation 5:5-7.

The time from the ascension of Christ to the formation
of the worlds major nations as we have them now,
was, the white horse period of time.

It was the arrival of the kingdom that is beast number 1,
the 'Holy' Roman Empire, whose king is a religious king.
As of now his kingship is secret, in times past
it was not very secret at all, and the office of that king has been in place
since before Revelation was written.

The red horse period of time culminated with
people such as Hitler.

The verse can be read, if we take out the italic words.
"And I saw another horse red, and was given to him
that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword."

The color red certainly fits the time around ww2 and the cold war.
In China children were mandated to carry around little red books.
The red of the Nazi flags was so red, that even in black and white video
we can still tell the flags are deep red.

The black horse period of time culminates with world
wide economic collapse, which collapse is about to happen
in our times. An orchestrated collapse by evil men
to bring in an all digital currency system.

The pale horse is the anti-Christ period of time,
death personified. A literal pale person whom the world
at large will swear is Jesus.

Then the saints cry out for the day of the Lord.

Then the day of the Lord happens.

Then Revelation tells the same prophesy over again
using different visions each giving different details,
but telling the same overarching prophesy repeatedly.
Rev 9:11, 11:7, 17:8

 

And so some of Revelation 8 has happened already,
hidden by the ideas of 'asteroids' and the erasing of the history
of the catastrophes.

Now when wormwood is arriving, the world will be lead to believe
it is just a random 'asteroid' and because of such beliefs they also
will be willing to try to stop it, to fight against it.
I believe the result of that failed fight will be Revelation 8:12.

When Revelation 9 is happening people will believe it is 'random'
'aliens', by such deceptions the end times have been
masked and muddied.

[Revelation Man]

On 9/23/2024 at 1:18 PM, TCC said:

Interesting perspective brother. But you would see the 70th week as 3.5 days? Does this forum permit you to post your substack link for consideration? Thanks. Blessings. 

No, I see the 70th week as the last 7 years of the 490 years of Penance Israel had to pay, and they must repent before these 70 weeks can ne fulfilled, so says Daniel. There is a Law in Leviticus that specifically says when Israel or a man in Israel disobeys their punishment is TIMED by 7. God placed Israel in Babylon for 70 years, if one reads Daniel 8 from vs. 1-27 they can see Daniel starts out by praying to Gd about the Book Jeremiah had written and its prophesy of Israel in bondage of 70 years was coming close to an end so he prays unto God to free Israel. 

That is when Gabriel showed up and told Daniel that the prophesy would now be TIMED by 7 because Israel refused to repent, many wanted to remain in Babylon, they loved it !!

So, Jesus' death ended the 69th week, God rent the temple (LEFT) and forsook Israel, their 70th week was put off until the Fulness of the Gentiles, "SERVICE" or calling to take the Gospel unto the whole world was complete. (Basically NOW)

I do not know, I only started it because I am on Jimmy Evans sight, and I got an option to start one, so I imported some old blogs. The one about Daniel 11 & 12 is on here. 

How about I just post it here? Make a New Thread on the book of Revelation. Then I got to go Steam Clean my carpet. LOL. Have a blessed day. I will do it in ESCHATOLOGY, where this thread is at. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Spiros]

Regarding the white horse's relation to Jesus Christ. The isopsephy value of the name Jesus contains three eights. The Pythagorean bottom value though is equal to 6.

 

ΙΗΣΟΥΣ = 888 => 8+8+8 = 24 => 2+4 = 6

 

The 6 number leads to the hexagram. This is the Pythagorean bottom value of the Hellenic word for blue(ΚΥΑΝΟΝ: kuanon):

 

ΚΥΑΝΟΝ = 591 => 5+9+1 = 15 => 1+5 = 6

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Hexagram.svg/208px-Hexagram.svg.png

 

In the same way the Pythagorean bottom value of the Hellenic word for white(ΛΕΥΚΟΝ: leukon) is 8:

 

ΛΕΥΚΟΝ = 575 => 5+7+5 = 17 => 1+7 = 8

 

The countries Honduras, Finland, Hellas, Israel, Micronesia, and Somalia contain only white and blue on their flags. The 8 number leads to the octagram.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Ashthalakshmi_-_Star_of_Laxmi.svg/240px-Ashthalakshmi_-_Star_of_Laxmi.svg.png

 

From what I have been able to figure out, these shapes relate to the pyramids of Egypt. By equating the square of the latitude of Giza to a circle we enclose a hexagram and a octagram in it. The haxagram leads geographically to Hellas, to the 5th tallest mountain, this is in the Sterea Hellada region. This position also encodes the isopsephy value of the word Christ as ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ(Christos).

 

The octagram on the other hand leads to Mount Olympus but also to Mount Athos.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Simonopetra_Aug2006.jpg/320px-Simonopetra_Aug2006.jpg 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2024 by Spiros

[TCC]

On 9/23/2024 at 3:55 PM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Napoleon liked to be depicted on a white horse.

The view I believe is that the four horses represent four overlapping
periods of time.

The first started as soon as Christ ascended, He sat down
at the right hand of God, Hebrews 12:2, and opened the seal
at the right hand of God, Revelation 5:5-7.

The time from the ascension of Christ to the formation
of the worlds major nations as we have them now,
was, the white horse period of time.

It was the arrival of the kingdom that is beast number 1,
the 'Holy' Roman Empire, whose king is a religious king.
As of now his kingship is secret, in times past
it was not very secret at all, and the office of that king has been in place
since before Revelation was written.

The red horse period of time culminated with
people such as Hitler.

The verse can be read, if we take out the italic words.
"And I saw another horse red, and was given to him
that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword."

The color red certainly fits the time around ww2 and the cold war.
In China children were mandated to carry around little red books.
The red of the Nazi flags was so red, that even in black and white video
we can still tell the flags are deep red.

The black horse period of time culminates with world
wide economic collapse, which collapse is about to happen
in our times. An orchestrated collapse by evil men
to bring in an all digital currency system.

The pale horse is the anti-Christ period of time,
death personified. A literal pale person whom the world
at large will swear is Jesus.

Then the saints cry out for the day of the Lord.

Then the day of the Lord happens.

Then Revelation tells the same prophesy over again
using different visions each giving different details,
but telling the same overarching prophesy repeatedly.
Rev 9:11, 11:7, 17:8

 

And so some of Revelation 8 has happened already,
hidden by the is of 'asteroids' and the erasing of the history
of the catastrophes.

Now when wormwood is arriving, the world will be lead to believe
it is just a random 'asteroid' and because of such beliefs they also
will be willing to try to stop it, to fight against it.
I believe the result of that failed fight will be Revelation 8:12.

When Revelation 9 is happening people will believe it is 'random'
'aliens', by such deceptions the end times have been
masked and muddied.

Thanks for sharing that. There is a reason they are separated as horses with men and the other judgements are not horses with men. It seems they are catagorized for reason. You would see that as a somewhat emblamtic themes of eras. Interesting. 

I found this tidbit about Napolean's white horse. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marengo_(horse)

Thanks and blessings. :) 

[Spiros]

To evaluate if the child in Revelation 12 is Jesus(Michael Heiser's September 11 3 BC date). If we use astronomy software we note than in reality the Moon is below the woman's feet on September 12 3 BC. The number 12 is of course symbolic and important here. There are two generally accepted dates - years in regards to the resurrection of Jesus. One is April 9 30 AD. If this is correct then the ascension of Jesus Christ took place on May 18 30 AD.

 

We can therefore compute the total number of days between these two dates(start and ending days included):

 

September 12 3 BC

May 18 30 AD

==================

11571 +1 = 11572 days

 

If we consider a 365 day year then this is equal to:

 

T = 11572 days/365 =  31.7041  years

 

But the geodetic latitude of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem where Jesus was born expressed in degrees is.

 

φ =  31.7044°

 

Hard to consider this a coincidence.

 

[DavidReese]

On 9/23/2024 at 2:26 PM, TCC said:

I understand the book of Revelation is tricky in its poetic style. As you have noted above though, you have the 3rd woe as the 4th trumpet and the second woe as the 6th trumpet? Blessings. 

Sorry about that.

First woe is the 6th Trumpet, Two witness are killed

Second woe 5th Trumpet Pestilence sent to them army's

Third woe 4th Trumpet, Sun is smitten

 

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

Who are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, or simply the Four Horsemen, are described in Revelation chapter 6, verses 1–8. The Four Horsemen are symbolic depictions of different events that will take place in the end times. As an example of the Bible’s influence on culture at large, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse have been referenced many times in literature, paintings, movies, and other media, often as portents of an imminent cataclysm or the means by which a disaster comes to pass.

 

 

 

The Four Horsemen correspond with the first four seals opened by the Lamb as He opens the scroll of judgment in heaven (see Revelation 5). When the Lamb opens the first seal, one of the living creatures before the heavenly throne says to John, in a voice like thunder, “Come!” (Revelation 6:1). John then records what he sees: “I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest” (Revelation 6:2).

The first Horseman likely refers to the Antichrist. He is the false imitator of the true Christ, who is also associated with a white horse (Revelation 19:11–16). At the beginning of the tribulation, the Antichrist will be given authority (“a crown”), and he will wage war (“a bow”), conquering all who oppose him. This description agrees with Daniel’s vision of the “little horn” that rises to power and is bent on conquest: “This horn was waging war against the holy people and defeating them” (Daniel 7:21; cf. Revelation 13:7).

When the Lamb opens the second seal, the second living creature says, “Come!” (Revelation 6:3). John looks and dutifully records what he sees: “Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword” (Revelation 6:4). The second Horseman refers to terrible warfare that will break out in the end times. Those wars will include the Antichrist’s rise to power, which requires the downfall of three other kings (Daniel 7:8), and possibly the Battle of Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 38—39).

The Lamb then opens the third seal, and the third living creature invites John to “Come!” (Revelation 6:5). The third Horseman then appears: “There before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, ‘A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!’” (Revelation 6:5–6). The third Horseman of the Apocalypse portrays a great famine that will take place. Food is scarce, and prices are inflated beyond reason. The command to spare the oil and the wine seems to signify that the luxuries (oil and wine) will still be available during the famine, but the staples will not.

When the Lamb breaks open the fourth seal, the fourth living creature says, “Come!” (Revelation 6:7). John says, “I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth” (Revelation 6:8). The fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse is symbolic of death and devastation. The horse’s pale color (in the original language, it’s literally “pale green” or “yellowish green”) denotes sickliness and biliousness. The fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse will bring further warfare and terrible famines along with awful plagues, diseases, and attacks by wild animals. A fourth of the world’s population will die.

What is most amazing, or perhaps terrifying, is that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are just precursors of even worse judgments that come later in the tribulation (Revelation chapters 8—9 and 16). For all the horror brought by the Four Horsemen, there is much more to come.

https://www.gotquestions.org/four-horsemen-apocalypse.html

Edited October 4, 2024 by missmuffet