In- dept study of the book of Revelation

[angels4u]

Start maybe at the 5 -6 min mark,its long but interesting for the people who are interested in the book of Revelation :)

The days are upon us....

Book of Daniel=sealed

Revelation= Revealed

  I don't know if anybody is interested in the interpretation?

 

[angels4u]

@1to3

Do you know Pete Garcia?

He's going through the whole book of Revelation :)

[BornAgain490]

Disclaimer upfront: I did not watch the video. Perhaps later today. 

I have a question: the word 'hour' is used ten times in Revelation, e.g., "what hour I will come upon thee" 3:3; "from the hour of temptation" 3:10; "about the space of half an hour" 8:1; "for in one hour is she made desolate" 18:19; et al.  Nine of ten times the Greek word ώρα (hōra) is used, which could mean an hour, a day, a season, and only one time ημιώριον (hēmiōrion) is used, which literally means a half hour. 

If you're a literalist dispensationalist, do you interpret the word 'hour' as used nine times in Revelation to mean a literal sixty minutes/hour in time?  If not, please explain why the literalist approach doesn't work here.

Thanks. 

Be blessed. 

[angels4u]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

Disclaimer upfront: I did not watch the video. Perhaps later today. 

I have a question: the word 'hour' is used ten times in Revelation, e.g., "what hour I will come upon thee" 3:3; "from the hour of temptation" 3:10; "about the space of half an hour" 8:1; "for in one hour is she made desolate" 18:19; et al.  Nine of ten times the Greek word ώρα (hōra) is used, which could mean an hour, a day, a season, and only one time ημιώριον (hēmiōrion) is used, which literally means a half hour. 

If you're a literalist dispensationalist, do you interpret the word 'hour' as used nine times in Revelation to mean a literal sixty minutes/hour in time?  If not, please explain why the literalist approach doesn't work here.

Thanks. 

Be blessed. 

@Dennis1209  How would you explain this question?

I believe in a literal Revelation but not all things are literal,you know what I mean?

BornAgain490 how do you answer your own question for yourself? I suggest watch the video?

[BornAgain490]

41 minutes ago, angels4u said:

@Dennis1209  How would you explain this question?

I believe in a literal Revelation but not all things are literal,you know what I mean?

BornAgain490 how do you answer your own question for yourself? I suggest watch the video?

Well, first off, I'm not in the dispensationalist camp any more.  I've studied it and the Bible, and I came away like everyone else I knoe who's come out of dispensationalism as a result of studying the Bible for what the Bible says, not what some theologian insists it must say, because the theology he's teaching doesn't work if you don't impose it onto the text. 

I tend to view Revelation symbolically with a view that John is recapitulating the same scene three different times from different perspectives. 

I haven't quite settled on my position re: the word 'hour' yet, though I'm leaning that it is used figuratively to describe a period of time from very brief to longer in duration. 

Be blessed 

Edited September 20, 2024 by BornAgain490

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Well, first off, I'm not in the dispensationalist camp any more.  I've studied it and the Bible, and I came away like everyone else I knoe who's come out of dispensationalism as a result of studying the Bible for what the Bible says, not what some theologian insists it must say, because the theology he's teaching doesn't work if you don't impose it onto the text. 

I tend to view Revelation symbolically with a view that John is recapitulating the same scene three different times from different perspectives. 

I haven't quite settled on my position re: the word 'hour' yet, though I'm leaning that it is used figuratively to describe a period of time from very brief to longer in duration. 

Be blessed 

HI BA,

It is figurative. We often say, `His day will come,` or `in the hour of temptation,` or `the hour of your death.` All meaning a short time, but important. 

[Dennis1209]

11 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Well, first off, I'm not in the dispensationalist camp any more.  I've studied it and the Bible, and I came away like everyone else I knoe who's come out of dispensationalism as a result of studying the Bible for what the Bible says, not what some theologian insists it must say, because the theology he's teaching doesn't work if you don't impose it onto the text. 

I tend to view Revelation symbolically with a view that John is recapitulating the same scene three different times from different perspectives. 

I haven't quite settled on my position re: the word 'hour' yet, though I'm leaning that it is used figuratively to describe a period of time from very brief to longer in duration. 

Be blessed 

I would not argue the differences between dispensationalism and covenant theology, as both specifically describe eras of time and history. I would be interested in your views if you care to share them.

How and where would we fit in the age of Grace, the church age, in God’s plan?

Dispensationalism — A theological system that interprets the Bible and history according to specific ages or “dispensations” where different principles govern God’s relationship with people. The dispensationalist perspective has heavily influenced popular views of the end times and eschatology.

[BornAgain490]

30 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I would not argue the differences between dispensationalism and covenant theology, as both specifically describe eras of time and history. I would be interested in your views if you care to share them.

How and where would we fit in the age of Grace, the church age, in God’s plan?

Dispensationalism — A theological system that interprets the Bible and history according to specific ages or “dispensations” where different principles govern God’s relationship with people. The dispensationalist perspective has heavily influenced popular views of the end times and eschatology.

God has been dispensing His grace from the beginning to His people, the faithful.  

[angels4u]

7 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

HI BA,

It is figurative. We often say, `His day will come,` or `in the hour of temptation,` or `the hour of your death.` All meaning a short time, but important. 

I agree,the hour which will come over the world is figurative,it involves a certain time which will come over the world. But the 1/2 hour is maybe an half hour,I believe most is literal in Revelation :)

[Marilyn C]

8 hours ago, angels4u said:

I agree,the hour which will come over the world is figurative,it involves a certain time which will come over the world. But the 1/2 hour is maybe an half hour,I believe most is literal in Revelation :)

Yes, and another thought that half an hour, reveals the heart of the matter. Half of something is like opening it up. 

When Jesus left heaven to come to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious it would be a very solemn time. Thus, I see Rev. 8: 1 concluding the whole sequence of the judgment (with deliverance) scroll. (Rev. 6 & 7) This is further revealed in Rev. 19: 11 ff.