Kitzmiller v. Dover, Intelligent Design VS Theistic Evolution.

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

FreeGrace said:

There is no evidence that any matter can come from non matter.  And simple logic and common sense knows that.

No, that's wrong.    Matter and energy are interchangable, and matter can form from energy...

potato, potahtoe.  No difference.  To have a universe (matter) requires energy.  So, can scientists tell us where this energy came from?  Only the Bible tells us.

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Collisions of Light Produce Matter/Antimatter from Pure Energy

Study demonstrates a long-predicted process for generating matter directly from light — plus evidence that magnetism can bend polarized photons along different paths in a vacuum

https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=119023

I read it as Satan being a created being with no understanding of the initial creation, not having been there.   Which is pretty much where science is.   The deeper magic before that expansion is just beyond our ken, and likely always will be until He explains the details to us.

Keep in mind, the creation of Heaven and Earth are in the same day.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

Satan was not privy to the initial creation.

You're quoting a government newsroom to get your information??  Of course all the angels were present when God created the heavens and earth.  The Bible says so.

And Ezek 28:11-15 is rather clear as to where Satan was before he rebelled.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

 

 

Well, when I clicked the "quote" button, I get this blank post, so not able to respond.

If the post is fixable, I will respond.

[The Barbarian]

On 4/13/2025 at 10:35 AM, The Barbarian said:

 

No, that's wrong.    Matter and energy are interchangeable, and matter can form from energy.

On 4/13/2025 at 6:35 AM, FreeGrace said:

Wrong.   There's a very significant difference between the two.   It's just that matter can come from non-matter.

On 4/13/2025 at 6:35 AM, FreeGrace said:

Brookhaven National Laboratory is one of the world's premier physics facilities.   But they are far from the only lab that's demonstrated energy/matter conversions. 

 

On 4/13/2025 at 6:35 AM, FreeGrace said:

God says that He created Heaven and Earth the same day.  

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

I believe Him.   You should, too.

 

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

 

Still can't respond as the text does't appear.

[The Barbarian]

God says that He created Heaven and Earth the same day.  

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

I believe Him.   You should, too.

 

[Daniel whalen]

Okay

I have been taught evaluation and intelligent design

I read some of Darwin and his theory's

And"expert's and scientists" go along with crowd to support their hypostasis, theory's and opinions and not real Christian's no matter what they say

I throw out evaluation as soon as they said humans came from Chimpanzee's... I admit we are similar but we have about the same Genentech make up of a banana tree... are we trees?

 

 

 

 

[The Barbarian]

40 minutes ago, Daniel whalen said:

Okay

I have been taught evaluation and intelligent design

I read some of Darwin and his theory's

I'm not so sure you've read much from the people who actually wrote that stuff.

41 minutes ago, Daniel whalen said:

I throw out evaluation as soon as they said humans came from Chimpanzee's

Evolutionary theory doesn't say we did.  Geneticists say that humans and chimps have a common ancestor that was neither human nor a chimpanzee.    This is also what the fossil record says.    BTW, many intelligent design advocates think so , too.   Would you like to see that?

43 minutes ago, Daniel whalen said:

I admit we are similar but we have about the same Genentech make up of a banana tree... are we trees?

First "Banana trees" aren't trees, so neither humans nor bananas are trees.    It's a key part of genetics that DNA similarities match up nicely with evolutionary phylogenies.   For example animals are all genetically more similar to each other, than any is to plants.    Plants and animals are genetically similar to each other than any is to prokaryotes.   And so on.   Would you like to learn how we discovered this?

 

[Daniel whalen]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I'm not so sure you've read much from the people who actually wrote that stuff.

Evolutionary theory doesn't say we did.  Geneticists say that humans and chimps have a common ancestor that was neither human nor a chimpanzee.    This is also what the fossil record says.    BTW, many intelligent design advocates think so , too.   Would you like to see that?

First "Banana trees" aren't trees, so neither humans nor bananas are trees.    It's a key part of genetics that DNA similarities match up nicely with evolutionary phylogenies.   For example animals are all genetically more similar to each other, than any is to plants.    Plants and animals are genetically similar to each other than any is to prokaryotes.   And so on.   Would you like to learn how we discovered this?

 

Okay

I was wrong saying"trees"

Banana's are not fruit there are berries

Trees do not producing berries plants do

I don't put much stock in"fossil record" when they said"a stone was 5 million years old" by sending it through a lot of tests but they said a bone was a 1 million years old but it was stuck in a boot that was found in cave wearing a style that was popular in 1890...

I tried to click on your link's and most don't load

I read the op and it said"evaluation" and I was a little spicule but I gave it try people need their opinions heard

 

Edited Saturday at 08:03 PM by Daniel whalen
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[The Barbarian]

10 hours ago, Daniel whalen said:

I don't put much stock in"fossil record" when they said"a stone was 5 million years old" by sending it through a lot of tests but they said a bone was a 1 million years old but it was stuck in a boot that was found in cave wearing a style that was popular in 1890...

That's an old story, which no one can verify.  But YEC Dr. Kurt Wise wrote that the many fossil transitionals and series are "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."    He wrote this in a YEC publication.  

 

[Mozart's Starling]

There is no reading of Genesis that even hints at evolution. If you're warping the Bible to fit the conclusions of scientists, you're making a massive mistake. Science does not have priority over God's word. They're not equals. I'm so tired of watching Christians compromise on this. Stop perverting the word. Grow some backbone and stand up for what you know is right. This weakness is why liberalism is infecting so many churches as of late. We're not supposed to conform with the world.

Edited Sunday at 03:23 AM by Mozart's Starling