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Did Paul teach to keep the Ten Commandments? Let us exam:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 

**Paul specifically names the breaking of SIX of the Ten Commandments in the above passage -- IDOLATRY, ADULTERY, STEALING, MURDER, COVETING, HAVING NO OTHER GODS and says those who do those things WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God and says we are not to be deceived by thinking those who do such things will enter the Kingdom of God.  

Lets exam further:

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, - Col 3:5-9 

**Paul names and condemns disobedience to TWO more of the Ten Commandments -- bearing FALSE WITNESS or LYING, and taking God's name in vain through blasphemy and filthy talk.  This makes EIGHT of the Ten Commandments Paul teaches to that we are required to keep.  Let us exam further.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth." - Eph 6:1-3 

**HONOR YOUR PARENTS is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught to keep and quoted by Paul straight from the 10 commandments that Moses was given.  That makes NINE of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught that to keep.

**This leaves one more commandant which is Keeping the Sabbath Holy (Set-apart).  Did Paul teach or exemplify that we are to Keep the Sabbath set-apart?  Let us see.

And Paul went in, AS WAS HIS CUSTOM, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, - Act 17:2

So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as HIS CUSTOM was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. - Luk 4:16 

And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue EVERY Sabbath and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks. - Act 18:4 

**Paul just like Jesus went to synagogues ON THE SABBATH DAY.  Therefore Paul kept the Sabbath just like Jesus.   Paul said to follow his example as he follows Christ's example.

Imitate me, just as I also [imitate] Christ. - 1Co 11:1 

**That makes TEN for TEN of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught.  So Yes, Paul taught we are to obey the Ten Commandments just as Jesus and the rest of the Apostles taught.

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5 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Did Paul teach to keep the Ten Commandments? Let us exam:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 

**Paul specifically names the breaking of SIX of the Ten Commandments in the above passage -- IDOLATRY, ADULTERY, STEALING, MURDER, COVETING, HAVING NO OTHER GODS and says those who do those things WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God and says we are not to be deceived by thinking those who do such things will enter the Kingdom of God.  

Lets exam further:

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, - Col 3:5-9 

**Paul names and condemns disobedience to TWO more of the Ten Commandments -- bearing FALSE WITNESS or LYING, and taking God's name in vain through blasphemy and filthy talk.  This makes EIGHT of the Ten Commandments Paul teaches to that we are required to keep.  Let us exam further.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth." - Eph 6:1-3 

**HONOR YOUR PARENTS is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught to keep and quoted by Paul straight from the 10 commandments that Moses was given.  That makes NINE of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught that to keep.

**This leaves one more commandant which is Keeping the Sabbath Holy (Set-apart).  Did Paul teach or exemplify that we are to Keep the Sabbath set-apart?  Let us see.

And Paul went in, AS WAS HIS CUSTOM, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, - Act 17:2

So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as HIS CUSTOM was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. - Luk 4:16 

And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue EVERY Sabbath and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks. - Act 18:4 

**Paul just like Jesus went to synagogues ON THE SABBATH DAY.  Therefore Paul kept the Sabbath just like Jesus.   Paul said to follow his example as he follows Christ's example.

Imitate me, just as I also [imitate] Christ. - 1Co 11:1 

**That makes TEN for TEN of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught.  So Yes, Paul taught we are to obey the Ten Commandments just as Jesus and the rest of the Apostles taught.

It wasn't the law that made him attend the synagogue, it was his custom.  If you want to speak to a group of Jews, that is what one would do.

Jesus himself confessed to working on the Sabbath and even said the Father was also.  Keep in mind that keeping Jesus's two new commandments covers nine of the original ten, and I believe that the Sabbath is not a day, but a way of life 24/365.   Jesus new commandments not only make it a sin to break nine of the ten, but not to even want to.

 

We now have the ability to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit, which makes our whole life a Sabbath.

I would also add that it is dangerous to teach this, because in Matthew Chapter 25 starting with verse 31, Jesus is judging people and dividing them up into sheep and goats.  When asked why the goats are going to hell, no mention of the ten commandments is given for a reason.  Just the breaking of his second.


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45 minutes ago, other one said:

It wasn't the law that made him attend the synagogue, it was his custom.  If you want to speak to a group of Jews, that is what one would do.

Jesus himself confessed to working on the Sabbath and even said the Father was also.  Keep in mind that keeping Jesus's two new commandments covers nine of the original ten, and I believe that the Sabbath is not a day, but a way of life 24/365.   Jesus new commandments not only make it a sin to break nine of the ten, but not to even want to.

 

We now have the ability to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit, which makes our whole life a Sabbath.

I would also add that it is dangerous to teach this, because in Matthew Chapter 25 starting with verse 31, Jesus is judging people and dividing them up into sheep and goats.  When asked why the goats are going to hell, no mention of the ten commandments is given for a reason.  Just the breaking of his second.

Jesus did not break the Sabbath.  God allows certain types of work to be done on the Sabbath.   Such as that of the Priest which were allowed to minister God's word, perform sacrifices, attend to the needs of poor, widows, and orphans.  Jesus said good works on the Sabbath are permitted because God himself never stops performing good works on the Sabbath.  This is why in Israel hospitals, police, firefighters and other life saving services are permitted on the Sabbath.  The Pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the sabbath because he performed good works on the Sabbath such as healing those that were sick and oppressed by the devil.   He was doing what was permitted by the law of God on the Sabbath.

The bible says you are to keep the Sabbath holy.  Holy means to set-apart or to make special.  If you are treating every day the same then you are not making the Sabbath holy but ordinary.   Six days you shall work but the seventh day is set apart for God.


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31 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Jesus did not break the Sabbath.  God allows certain types of work to be done on the Sabbath.

He either broke the sabbath or he lied for he didn't say anything about being able to certain jobs, when accused of working on the sabbath he told them yes he was working.   If you read the actual commandment, it says "NO Work"  doesn't give any exceptions.


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51 minutes ago, other one said:

He either broke the sabbath or he lied for he didn't say anything about being able to certain jobs, when accused of working on the sabbath he told them yes he was working.   If you read the actual commandment, it says "NO Work"  doesn't give any exceptions.

Really!!!  Jesus is no sinner, he obeyed the Law of God.  Jesus explains why it was permitted to heal on the Sabbath.  He was not breaking the Sabbath if any thing he was breaking their rabbinic traditions 'Talmud' of the Pharisees not the commandments.  There is no law against healing the sick on the Sabbath.

Then Jesus went over to their synagogue, where he noticed a man with a deformed hand. The Pharisees asked Jesus, "Does the law permit a person to work by healing on the Sabbath?" (They were hoping he would say yes, so they could bring charges against him.) And he answered, "If you had a sheep that fell into a well on the Sabbath, wouldn't you work to pull it out? Of course you would. And how much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Yes, the law permits a person to do good on the Sabbath." - Mat 12:9-12


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Jesus spoke the commandments of the NC some are the same some are different or new.

John 15

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


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14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Really!!!  Jesus is no sinner, he obeyed the Law of God.  Jesus explains why it was permitted to heal on the Sabbath.  He was not breaking the Sabbath if any thing he was breaking their rabbinic traditions 'Talmud' of the Pharisees not the commandments.  There is no law against healing the sick on the Sabbath.

Then why didn't he explain that instead of just saying he was working. Either he was working or he was not, and he admitted he was working.  Just take his word for it and follow his new commandments that he gave us if we live in the spirit.    We do not live under the first covenant laws if we are truly born again Christians.   Going to church on Saturday or just taking a day of rest will not get you saved or keep you that way.

The other commandments you will not break if you follow his two, as a matter of fact, you will not even want to.  And Matthew 25 shows us that there is a lot more to it than just following the old law.  It is written the first covenant through Moses will not attain eternal life with the Lord.


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8 hours ago, NConly said:

Jesus spoke the commandments of the NC some are the same some are different or new.

John 15

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

@NConly In the words of Paul from Romans 1 and Romans 16, it's  indeed 'obedience to the faith' and 'the obedience of faith'; it's not meritorious law-keeping.

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15 hours ago, other one said:

He either broke the sabbath or he lied for he didn't say anything about being able to certain jobs, when accused of working on the sabbath he told them yes he was working.   If you read the actual commandment, it says "NO Work"  doesn't give any exceptions.

Define "work".  Is it work if, when I struggle to get out of my chair, I enlist the aid of my cane or my son to lift me?  Is my son "working"?  

Jesus is our Sabbath. We rest in Jesus every day.  Does that make every day the same, i.e., as usual as the others?  Praise God Almighty it does, for we are in Christ Jesus, and Christ Jesus in us. Hallelujah.

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22 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Did Paul teach to keep the Ten Commandments? Let us exam:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 

**Paul specifically names the breaking of SIX of the Ten Commandments in the above passage -- IDOLATRY, ADULTERY, STEALING, MURDER, COVETING, HAVING NO OTHER GODS and says those who do those things WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God and says we are not to be deceived by thinking those who do such things will enter the Kingdom of God.  

Lets exam further:

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, - Col 3:5-9 

**Paul names and condemns disobedience to TWO more of the Ten Commandments -- bearing FALSE WITNESS or LYING, and taking God's name in vain through blasphemy and filthy talk.  This makes EIGHT of the Ten Commandments Paul teaches to that we are required to keep.  Let us exam further.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth." - Eph 6:1-3 

**HONOR YOUR PARENTS is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught to keep and quoted by Paul straight from the 10 commandments that Moses was given.  That makes NINE of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught that to keep.

**This leaves one more commandant which is Keeping the Sabbath Holy (Set-apart).  Did Paul teach or exemplify that we are to Keep the Sabbath set-apart?  Let us see.

And Paul went in, AS WAS HIS CUSTOM, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, - Act 17:2

So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as HIS CUSTOM was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. - Luk 4:16 

And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue EVERY Sabbath and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks. - Act 18:4 

**Paul just like Jesus went to synagogues ON THE SABBATH DAY.  Therefore Paul kept the Sabbath just like Jesus.   Paul said to follow his example as he follows Christ's example.

Imitate me, just as I also [imitate] Christ. - 1Co 11:1 

**That makes TEN for TEN of the TEN COMMANDMENTS that Paul taught.  So Yes, Paul taught we are to obey the Ten Commandments just as Jesus and the rest of the Apostles taught.

Paul's exact words were as follows;

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: Eph.2:14–16.

The Law is given to Israel to prepare a Nation to be hosts to the Living God. In it was a system of moral, ritual and dietry laws to make Israel ritually clean for God to dwell with them. The Law was written by the finger of God, given to Moses to transmit to Israel, ad it formed the conditions of a Covenant - all ONLY with Israel. In this Law were sections that forbade relationships with the Gentiles. To build the New Man with SOME "out of" the Nations and SOME "out of the nation of Israel", God needed to remove this "wall of partition". Thus, the Law, as given to Moses, IN ITS ENTIRETY, is abolished. It is deemed to have joined Christ in His death. While it remains fully in force for the Jew who has rejected Christ, it has zero value for those IN Christ.

The New Man, has a totally different economy to Israel. the God Who Israel dwelt WITH, now dwells IN the Church. No Law can clean a man for this. Rather, he is counted as dead - crucified WITH Christ. In this man's human spirit dwells the Most High (Jn.4:24). This man is justified by Christ's righteousness, and is led in his actions by Christ in his spirit (Rom.8:11-14). Any attempt to cleanse himself, or justify himself by the Law, including the Ten Words, is a deep insult to Christ's Work and the Father's appreciation of it.

Does this mean that Paul taught to murder, steal ad blaspheme? No. Paul's morality was higher than the Law. And Christ's morality is even higher. There are about 615 Laws and ordinances. the New Testament contains  over 2,400 commands. The Holy Spirit is given tobring to memory Christ's sayings.

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