Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[The Light]

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Antichrist will be a figure that will come out of Talmudic Judaism or Islamic fundamentalism.  

The Antichrist will be a former King of the North that is given the stephanos crown, the symbol of the UN.

Who is the King of the North?

[Charlie744]

53 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Antichrist will be a figure that will come out of Talmudic Judaism or Islamic fundamentalism.  

Would you mind giving the verse that says there will be a literal “anti-Christ” figure?

Thanks. 

[BornAgain490]

11 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Would you mind giving the verse that says there will be a literal “anti-Christ” figure?

Thanks. 

Compare scripture with scripture. 

[The Light]

17 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks for your responses...

We are far apart in our views, but you I enjoyed reading what you had to say.......and how you said it.

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

We are far apart in our views, but you I enjoyed reading what you had to say.......and how you said it.

Very kind of you to say that! Best wishes!!

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

We are far apart in our views, but you I enjoyed reading what you had tw say.......and how you said it.

If you do not mind, is there a verse or an interpretation found within "today's accepted interpretations," that you might be having some difficulty accepting? This could be related to the 70 weeks of years prophecy or another issue within Daniel?

Thanks.

[The Light]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

If you do not mind, is there a verse or an interpretation found within "today's accepted interpretations," that you might be having some difficulty accepting? This could be related to the 70 weeks of years prophecy or another issue within Daniel?

Thanks.

Maybe you are picking up on something I am not aware of.

I will say this, I don't go by interpretations that are accepted and have been passed down by scholars. These accepted interpretations can be skewed one way or another by religion. The book of Daniel has been sealed until the time of the end. This is the time of the end so there is more change we will have understanding today than we would have hundreds of years or decades ago.

I just go by what the word says, with no preconceived ideas, or religion tainting the meaning. I believe the 70th week of Daniel was not completed in earlier times.

However, I will be happy to look at anything you think you have proof of.

 

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Maybe you are picking up on something I am not aware of.

I will say this, I don't go by interpretations that are accepted and have been passed down by scholars. These accepted interpretations can be skewed one way or another by religion. The book of Daniel has been sealed until the time of the end. This is the time of the end so there is more change we will have understanding today than we would have hundreds of years or decades ago.

I just go by what the word says, with no preconceived ideas, or religion tainting the meaning. I believe the 70th week of Daniel was not completed in earlier times.

However, I will be happy to look at anything you think you have proof of.

 

Thank you. Ok, I would like to discuss some things and since we are on the subject of the 70th week, we might begin with this.

You mentioned above that you do not concern yourself with others interpretations - fine. And to be candid, this is how I decided to study Daniel because the many scholars, academics and theologians that have produced "today's accepted interpretations," cannot agree with each other and their interpretations can be miles apart. Consequently, I learned their interpretations (many different ones) and, after 5 years, I completed my study which did not look at all like thier interpretations.

Now, based on your comment above, you look to the scriptures and then you determine your own interpretations - how they speak to you. Therefore, in a sense, we have / are doing the same thing. 

So, since we both have access to the same set of verses, theoretically, should comwe out with the same or similar interpretations. But we don't. Now, according to your last sentence, you would be happy to look at anything that I think can provide PROOF. So, I think it is fair to hold you to the same standard.

If we focus ONLY on 9:27, I would ask if you might take each of the five parts of the verse (a -e), and offer your interpretation for the separate part along with YOUR proof:

27     a) Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
        b)But in the middle of the week
        c) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
        d) And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes           desolate,
        e) Even until the consummation, which is determined,
         Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

 

I will be doing the same for my interpretations. 

[The Light]

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

 

27     a) Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;

I will do the best I can with this. I am not sure about the proof you are asking about since none of these events have happened and cannot happen until a covenant with many starts the 70th week of Daniel. I'll do the best I can on my side and then see what you have to offer.

a) A covenant with many will be made for 7 years. That will start the 70th week of Daniel. I do believe the Antichrist will confirm this covenant. I think the covenant will be made and then later the Antichrist will come to power and confirm this covenant. 

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

        b)But in the middle of the week

In the midst of the week. Sometime during that week

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

 c) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The physical sacrifice and offering at the future Temple will be stopped.

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

 

        d) And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes           desolate,

The Temple will be destroyed.

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

 

        e) Even until the consummation, which is determined,

Even until the end 

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

         Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

 

I guess the point is, I think the 70th week is future, therefore there is no proof at this time.

I am looking forward to your historical response.

[Charlie744]

22 minutes ago, The Light said:

I will do the best I can with this. I am not sure about the proof you are asking about since none of these events have happened and cannot happen until a covenant with many starts the 70th week of Daniel. I'll do the best I can on my side and then see what you have to offer.

a) A covenant with many will be made for 7 years. That will start the 70th week of Daniel. I do believe the Antichrist will confirm this covenant. I think the covenant will be made and then later the Antichrist will come to power and confirm this covenant. 

In the midst of the week. Sometime during that week

The physical sacrifice and offering at the future Temple will be stopped.

The Temple will be destroyed.

Even until the end 

I guess the point is, I think the 70th week is future, therefore there is no proof at this time.

I am looking forward to your historical response.

Thank you for your reply!  I will certainly provide my "proof" soon, but I am very surprised to see your "proof." I apologize in advance, but there is no proof on your side. These comments, which are quite similar to those that contend these verses are end times events, cannot be supported.... I have found in my studies, that those that have placed these, and other verses in Daniel far into the future, have done so for two reasons:

1) they were unable to match the actors or events in our history books to the actors or events within these difficult verses in Daniel. Because there is no matching actors or events to match up,

2) and regardless of whether you accept it, the 7 year tribulation is absolutely a made up theory by the Jesuits in the late 16th century where they took these selected verses and threw them some 500 years into the future. 

Yet, you on more than one occassion have asked me for "proof." In fact, my previous answers did provide the pro0f you requested but you rejected it ... I do not understand why you fail to see how the actual events and actors regarding 9:27 speak to the Messiah - especially when the entire Chapter 9 is about God's forgiveness that leads to having Grabriel give Daniel His detailed plan of restoration for his people and his city from Babylon. 

In any event, I will soon respond with my thoughts on these five verses and ask you to consider them to His plan of salvation and His first coming, His cruciixion, and the punishment He will bestow on His people and His city.

This book is all about the Messiah and His plan of salvation for mankind... there is nothing in Daniel that is concerned with some mythical anti-Christ figure.

In fact, while I am preparing my response, I would kindly ask if you have ANY proof that a literal anti-Christ figure will be taught in Daniel or the NT. And the little horn is the little horn... he is not some anti-Christ person.... Chapter 7 alone provides the necessary characteristics, actions, and the timing of his coming to properly identify him.....