Understanding God’s election

[Mr. M]

20 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Dont you agree that all born again believers in Jesus Christ will be rewarded?

Sure. Some will no doubt be surprised and disappointed,

due to a lack of sound comprehension of the expression

"a just recompense of reward".

2 Corinthians 5:

The Judgment Seat of Christ

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent,

to be well pleasing to Him. 

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, 

that each one may receive the things done in the body,

according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 

11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known

in your consciences.

Hear what the Spirit is saying...

Hebrews 2:

1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things

which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every

transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward;

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;

which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

This statement seems contradictory. If by "believers" you're referring to people who are born again (spiritually regenerated), then a born again believer is someone that is faithful. The unregenerate are faithless because they aren't born again. 

Revelation 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb,

and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords

and King of kings; and those who are with Him 

are called, chosen, and faithful.”

[BornAgain490]

1 minute ago, Mr. M said:

Sure. Some will no doubt be surprised and disappointed,

due to a lack of sound comprehension of the expression

"a just recompense of reward".

I'm glad you agree that all born again believers are rewarded.

But what makes you think there will be saints disappointed by the rewards they're given?  Aren't all the rewards gifts of God, and if gifts of God, aren't all the rewards to all saints meet and just?

[BornAgain490]

4 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

those who are with Him 

are called, chosen, and faithful.”

Yes, those "chosen and faithful" are the born again believers, saints. 

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Yes, those "chosen and faithful" are the born again believers, saints. 

Nope. Believers are simply "the called". You must accept the role assigned to you by the Holy Spirit, and be faithful to your personal election and gifts, what is called by David in Psalm 119 a precept, which is a personal mandate.

Romans 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, 

to them who are the called according to His purpose.

In the absence of God's purpose for you personally, there can be no reward.

[Mr. M]

18 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

I'm glad you agree that all born again believers are rewarded.

But what makes you think there will be saints disappointed by the rewards they're given?  Aren't all the rewards gifts of God, and if gifts of God, aren't all the rewards to all saints meet and just?

Your question was answered by the scriptures cited.

25 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, 

that each one may receive the things done in the body,

according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 

What reward should be expected for someone who has failed to do

the good that the Lord intended for them?

"Depart from me, I never knew you".

[other one]

5 hours ago, Osterloh said:

Father God elects (chooses) and calls whomever He wishes

1 Tim 2:1-7

2 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2  for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6  who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. 7  For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle ( I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
ESV

 

[BornAgain490]

8 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Nope. Believers are simply "the called". You must accept the role assigned to you by the Holy Spirit, and be faithful to your personal election and gifts, what is called by David in Psalm 119 a precept, which is a personal mandate.

Romans 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, 

to them who are the called according to His purpose.

In the absence of God's purpose for you personally, there can be no reward.

If you read Rev. 17:14 correctly, the "called, and chosen, and faithful" are not three different types of saints, but three descriptors for all the saints as indicated by the phrase next preceding it, "they that are with him are..." 

[BornAgain490]

12 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

"Depart from me, I never knew you".

You're mixed up.  Those in Matthew 7:22-23 are not born again believers, but the prideful and the self righteous who rely on their works for salvation. 

[other one]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

This statement seems contradictory. If by "believers" you're referring to people who are born again (spiritually regenerated), then a born again believer is someone that is faithful. The unregenerate are faithless because they aren't born again. 

some believers who were not faithful:::

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Matt 25:31-46

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.  33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.  34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,  36  I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'  37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?  38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?  39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'  40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,  43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'  44 Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?'  45 Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.'  46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
ESV

 

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Matt 7:21-23

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  22  On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'  23  And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
ESV

 

they believed to the level of prophesying and casting out demons and doing mighty works.   

One has to do the will of the Father.    Question would be who is Born Again (spiritually regenerated).   None of us has the ability to know that in this time period that I am aware of.