Understanding God’s election

[BornAgain490]

15 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Your question was answered by the scriptures cited.

No it wasn't. 

 

16 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

reward should be expected for someone who has failed to do

the good that the Lord intended for them?

They will suffer loss, but they shall still be saved. (1 Corinth. 3:15).

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

If you read Rev. 17:14 correctly, the "called, and chosen, and faithful" are not three different types of saints, but three descriptors for all the saints as indicated by the phrase next preceding it, "they that are with him are..." 

I never said that there are three different types of saints.

You are claiming that all who are called are somehow faithful by definition.

Your statement suggests that they are called because they are faithful.

"Many are called, but few are chosen".

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You're mixed up.  Those in Matthew 7:22-23 are not born again believers, but the prideful and the self righteous who rely on their works for salvation. 

If you say so. You seem to be under the impression that a person who believes is also born again and thereby assumed to be faithful.

I would have to question your understanding of Sanctification.

1 Peter 1:

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 

23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

To be faithful requires obedience. Is someone who "accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior" established in "obeying the truth through the Spirit"?

[BornAgain490]

7 minutes ago, other one said:

some believers who were not faithful:::

They're not truly faithful, then, are they? 

If they're not faithful, then they're not born again. They're no different than the devils that believe and shutter at the sound of the name of God. 

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

You seem to be under the impression that a person who believes is also born again and thereby assumed to be faithful

That is not what I said. I've always maintained that a born again believer will be faithful, because they've been born again.  Many say they believe but aren't born again, and if they're not born again they won't have saving faith. 

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

That is not what I said. I've always maintained that a born again believer will be faithful, because they've been born again.  Many say they believe but aren't born again, and if they're not born again they won't have saving faith. 

So, if someone who converts to Christianity,

they are born again and you assume they will

be faithful based on that belief. Where is Sanctification?

[BornAgain490]

8 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

To be faithful requires obedience. Is someone who "accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior" established in "obeying the truth through the Spirit"?

You don't believe that born agson man cam be perfectly sinless,  do you?

A born again believer knows they're not perfect, and won't be perfect until glorified.  We Aldi know that when we stumble and fall that we a faithful advocate named Jesus Christ who'll forgive us our sins and cleanse us of our iniquities. You woould know this basic principle if you're truly born again. 

[other one]

12 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

They're not truly faithful, then, are they? 

If they're not faithful, then they're not born again. They're no different than the devils that believe and shutter at the sound of the name of God. 

That is circular thinking on your part, and it's destructive in having people trust any English translation.  No one knows the hearts of anyone and who the Lord will accept and who he will not.

[BornAgain490]

3 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

if someone who converts to Christianity

God converts the sinner by regenerating their dead spirit.  The sanctification process begins immediately upon the new birth. Sanctification is a process that continues until glorification. You should know this. 

[BornAgain490]

5 minutes ago, other one said:

No one knows the hearts of anyone and who the Lord will accept and who he will not

The Lord made it very clear: You must be born again.  If you love me you will keep my commands. 

If we say we love Him yet we live no different than the way we lived before we claim to have be converted or born again, who's the liar?