Daniel 8-Clarifying some entities and events during the end times.

[luigi]

When the Lord commands the angel Gabriel to acquaint Daniel with the meaning of the visions shown him regarding a ram with two horns, and a rough he goat with a notable horn (Daniel 8:16); Gabriel starts by informing Daniel that these visions shown him regard the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). Gabriel then goes on to inform Daniel that the ram and its two horns are the kings of Media and Persia (Daniel 8:20), while the rough he goat is the king of Greecia, and the great horn between his eyes is the first king (Daniel 8:21). As these events regard the end times, I then surmise that the lands of Media and Persia which no longer exist, correlate with the lands of Iraq and Iran of today where the lands of Media and Persia previously existed. In regards to the metaphorical rough he goat described as the land of Greecia; the rough he goat traverses the whole earth from the West without touching the ground, and annihilates the ram with its two horns (Daniel 8:5-7). As the actual land of Greece is relatively next door to Iraq and Iran, and would not traverse the entire earth from the West to annihilate Iraq and Iran; I then surmise Greecia to be yet another metaphor for a land that would be on the other side of the earth from Iraq and Iran, in order for the rough he goat to traverse the whole earth from the West.

Another important issue is the description of the rough he goat being the king of Greecia, and its great horn between its eyes being the first king (Daniel 8:21). As the ram with its two horns are the kings of Media and Persia is understood to represent these nations kingdoms/governments (Iraq and Iran); so too then would the rough he goat described as the king of Greecia, and its great horn described as its first king; correlate representing this nations kingdom/government. With this understanding, the description of the rough he goat and its great horn being the first king, is understood being its kingdom/government. It is this first kingdom/government that traverses whole earth from the West to annihilate Iraq and Iran, that afterwards collapses/secedes into four new types of government (Daniel 8:8).

Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. 

Daniel 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

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[Keras]

It is perfectly evident that the rough he goat was Alexander the Great. 

Proved by the fact of his kingdom being divided among 4 of his generals.  All of Daniel 8 is past history, including the 2300 evenings and mornings, fulfilled in 167-to 164 BC. But of course; all future to Daniel, when he received the visions. 

What is yet to happen, is Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:21-35, Paralleled by Revelation 13 and other end time Prophesies. 

[luigi]

5 hours ago, Keras said:

It is perfectly evident that the rough he goat was Alexander the Great. 

Proved by the fact of his kingdom being divided among 4 of his generals.  All of Daniel 8 is past history, including the 2300 evenings and mornings, fulfilled in 167-to 164 BC. But of course; all future to Daniel, when he received the visions. 

What is yet to happen, is Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:21-35, Paralleled by Revelation 13 and other end time Prophesies. 

Good day Keras,

The point I made on the issue of the king of Greece and the first king in Daniel 8:21, is that it is not in reference to an individual but is in reference to a kingdom. It is the first kingdom/government of the metaphorical Greece who traverses the whole earth from the West without touching the ground to annihilate Media and Persia, that after doing so, collapses and secedes into four kingdoms. This is consistent with how the kingdoms of Media and Persia described as kings are portrayed in Daniel 8:20.

Daniel 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

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[Keras]

It will be the Lord Himself, who will punish Iran. Jeremiah 49:35-37

He will destroy their leadership and weapons, when they attempt to fire nuke missiles into the holy Land. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 63

[Revelation Man]

19 hours ago, luigi said:

Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

I will explain, Keras as usual gets it wrong overall, yes Alexander the Great was the Great Horn and the Four Generals were past events, but in Dan. 8:9 that is a shift to the END TIMES, just like the Angel tells us. By the way, the WHOLE EARTH being spoken about is the land around the Mediterranean Sea ONLY. That is why Rome conquered the WHOLE EARTH & why Greece will also, but never did 2300 years ago, we can see the End Time Battle in Daniel 11:40-43, that will be he 7th Syrian War. Read Dan. 8:9 closely, it states which way this man will conquer from AND he has to be from one of the Four Generals Territory. Dan 8:9 tells us from whence he conquers

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(AC comes out of one of the Four horns), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So, this AC/Little Horn conquers TOWARDS the East (Seleucus/Turkey) and TOWARDS the South (Ptolemy/Egypt) and TOWARDS Israel (Pleasant Land). Since we know he conquers Israel we know that WAXES GREAT TOWARDS means Conquering. So, where does this man have to come from then? Greece/Cassander, because Seleucus is East and Egypt is South. Now we have to COMBINE this with Dan. 7:7-8. this Little Horn/AC also has to come to power in the Fourth Beasts Territory also, the 10 (10 = Completion) represents Complete Rome (E.U.) reunited. And Greece is in the E.U. (BOOM). Now go read Dan. 11:40-43 and you will see this actual battle, which is soon to come

The AC conquers EAST and SOUTH, which means he has to come out of the Northwest Corridor.

 

 

The E.U. led by a Greek President will conquer Turkey, Israel and every nation on the Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline who are called THE MANY in Dan. 9:27, Dan. 8:25 and this battle can be seen in Dan. 11:40-43. This includes Egypt, it was NEVER the Whole Earth, its the WHOLE REGION of earth being spoken about.

 

 

 

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[Keras]

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The E.U. led by a Greek President will conquer Turkey, Israel and every nation on the Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline who are called THE MANY in Dan. 9:27, Dan. 8:25 and this battle can be seen in Dan. 11:40-43. This includes Egypt, it was NEVER the Whole Earth, its the WHOLE REGION of earth being spoken about.

It is rubbish to promote the European Union as an end time entity. They are practically defunct now and they all retain their own sovereignty. 

Whereas the final World Government will be every country and they will succeed their sovereignty to one powerful man. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12-13

[luigi]

6 hours ago, Keras said:

It will be the Lord Himself, who will punish Iran. Jeremiah 49:35-37

He will destroy their leadership and weapons, when they attempt to fire nuke missiles into the holy Land. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 63

Yes, the Lord will punish Iran, along with many other nations at the final end of the beasts system (Revelation 11:18), but that follows the series of events in Daniel chapters 7 through 12. According to Daniel 11:2 (which is about the same entities and events during the end times in Daniel 8); as Persia/Iran stirs up all against the king of Grecia, we see this correlating with the ram whose second horn Persia/Iran meddling in other Middle Eastern nations affairs (Daniel 8:4), causes Grecia to traverse the whole earth from the West without touching the ground (using its air force) to annihilate Persia/Iran. Grecia in Daniel 11, is another description for part of the Northern kingdom who enters the Middle East and annihilates many other Middle Eastern nations, who are collectively referred to as the Southern kingdom. 

This is off topic Keras, as I was hoping to merely clarify the king of Greece and the first king in Daniel 8:21 is not about an individual king, but is about the metaphorical kingdom of Greece during these end times (whose actual kingdom is on the other side of the earth from Iraq and Iran), and whose first kingdom (referring to its initial form of government) collapses, seceding into four different governments following its annihilation of Iran.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Daniel 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

Daniel 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

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[luigi]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I will explain, Keras as usual gets it wrong overall, yes Alexander the Great was the Great Horn and the Four Generals were past events, but in Dan. 8:9 that is a shift to the END TIMES, just like the Angel tells us. By the way, the WHOLE EARTH being spoken  about is the land around the Mediterranean Sea ONLY. That is why Rome conquered the WHOLE EARTH & why Greece will also, but never did 2300 years ago, we can see the End Time Battle in Daniel 11:40-43, that will be he 7th Syrian War. Read Dan. 8:9 closely, it states which way this man will conquer from AND he has to be from one of the Four Generals Territory. Dan 8:9 tells is from whence he conquers

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(AC comes out of one f the Four horns), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So, this AC/Little Horn conquers TOWARDS the East (Seleucus/Turkey) and TOWARDS the South (Ptolemy/Egypt) and TOWARDS Israel (Pleasant Land). Since we know he conquers Israel we know that WAXES GREAT TOWARDS means Conquering. So, where does this man have to come from then? Greece/Cassander, because Seleucus is East and Egypt is South. Now we have to COMBINE this with Dan. 7:7-8. this Little Horn/AC also has to come to power in the Fourth Beasts Territory also, the 10 (10 = Completion) represents Complete Rome (E.U.) reunited. And Greece is in the E.U. (BOOM). Now go read Dan. 11:40-43 and you will see this actual battle, which is soon to come

The AC conquers EAST and SOUTH, which means he has to come out of the Northwest Corridor.

 

 

The E.U. led by a Greek President will conquer Turkey, Israel and every nation on the Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline who are called THE MANY in Dan. 9:27, Dan. 8:25 and this battle can be seen in Dan. 11:40-43. This includes Egypt, it was NEVER the Whole Earth, its the WHOLE REGION of earth being spoken about.

 

 

 

Hello Revelation man,

As I pointed out in my first post; the reference in Daniel 8:21 to the king of Greece and its first king is not in reference to an individual king, but is in reference to the metaphorical kingdom of Greece and to the demise of its initial form of government into four different type governments following its annihilation of Iran during these end times. 

I do, however, see somewhat similar with you in regards to the European Union. I believe that the G7 nations are the seven heads of the beast, and as such I also believe the G7 nations are who collectively is referred to as the Northern kingdom in Daniel 11.

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[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Keras said:

It is rubbish to promote the European Union as an end time entity. They are practically defunct now and they all retain their own sovereignty. 

Whereas the final World Government will be every country and they will succeed their sovereignty to one powerful man. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12-13

You have no understanding at all of Eschatology, also the 2300 is 1150 days. Its 2300 (morning & evening) sacrifices. W will see 1/3 of the world ABLAZE, ever think that through? No, because I have stated it and of course you fail to think anything through that comes from someone else, you pretend its not real I guess. The New World is the 1/3, in the old world God will use plagues to kill those who take the Mark oof the Beast.

In Daniel's statue Nebuchadnezzar is said to have been over every human on earth (WHEREVER MEN LAY THEIR HEADS) and Alexander the Great's 3rd Beast was said to conquer the WHOLE EARTH, well he didn't even conquer all the land on the Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline, BUT the Little Horn will, he's from Alexander the Greats lineage (not bloodline) by way of Greece, this same man will have the BLOODLINE from Old Assyria. You really were not called unto prophesy my friend. 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

Hello Revelation man,

As I pointed out in my first post; the reference in Daniel 8:21 to the king of Greece and its first king is not in reference to an individual king, but is in reference to the metaphorical kingdom of Greece and to the demise of its initial form of government into four different type governments following its annihilation of Iran during these end times. 

Hello brother....

Yes, and in verses 5-8 that is about Alexander the Great also, but in vs. 8 we see he DIES, then the four horns or POWERS arise in his stead (4 Generals). Then another little Horn shall arise at the END TIMES. Just like Dan 7:7-8 says, the 10 come up out of the Fourth Beasts Head, meaning the COMPLETE E.U. Reunited. 

Gabriel interprets the whole Dream/Vision Daniel had starting in vs. 19

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.(This mean the vison which was given CONCLUDES at the very end times, that's the whole reason it was given) 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. (God's Indignation of 70 weeks will conclude at this time)

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.(Alexander the Great)

22 Now that being broken(Alexander dies), whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms(See maps above) shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom,(NOW Greece is still a Nation) when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.(The Little Horn/A.C.)

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power:(Read Rev. 13:4 it says the Dragon gives power unto the Beast, SAME THING, same events) and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. (He will conquer Israel as Daniel is told by Jesus in Dan. 12:7)

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many(THE MANY = Israel and every nation in the Mediterranean Sea Region): he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;(he shall try to fight Jesus, but he will be killed) but he shall be broken without hand. (Jesus SPEAKS VICTORY)

So, we have a SHIFT in vs. 8, and the Four Generals are spoken about THEN another shift to the END TIME Little Horn or A.C./Beast. Thus the Angel has to tell the vision in like manner, from Alexander the Great, through the four generals battle via the 6 Syrian Wars, then he has to foretell about the Anti-Christ and the coming 7th Syrian War (7 = Divine Completion)

 

1 hour ago, luigi said:

I do, however, see somewhat similar with you in regards to the European Union. I believe that the G7 nations are the seven heads of the beast, and as such I also believe the G7 nations are who collectively is referred to as the Northern kingdom in Daniel 11.

I would stick with only the E.U. you see Satan knows how to interpret the bible, he knows 1/3 of the world burns and that the Greatest Power ever is not mentioned in end time events, so he knows its the New World tht will b urn, besides, he understands calculation, he knows Apophis os going to hit earth on April 13, 2029. So, its going to only be Old World players, and Russia, Turkey and Iran all have 5/6 of their armies destroyed, so there will be no one to challenge this man at all. I think China will crater financially and stop trying to meddle in  worldly events.