The Prodigal Son

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, grahampaul said:

 

will sit back and think on that for a while, i hadnt seen it before.

Definitely Jesus said this parable knowing that he was from the Father and he had left his former estate when he was Heavenly and it was his mission to enter our  world with his birth Bethlehem. He had a mission to complete and be counted amongs the transgressors and die on the Cross and return to his Heavenly Father who bestowed upon him the Glory that was waiting to be crown with from the beginning of the world. 

The multicolored reiment the God of all the people of the world who will bring people to the Heavenly Father from all the families of the world from all the kingdoms of the world including the death Kingdoms of Abraham and the rest of the Nations of the world. 

Jesus Christ died for all and as he said to his disciples he is the one to preach the Gospel to the dead and they only to the living because when they die they will inherit the Heavenly to be with him and the Heavenly Father. 

In other words they will never descent at the time of their death, they will only ascend to the Heavenly Father and to him.

This is why he gave them the commission to preach the Gospel only to all the living in the world. Peter understood that as he said it was Jesus Christ mission to preach the Gospel to the dead even to those who died in the flood because Jesus Christ died for all and he is the Judge of all people of the world who ever lived. 

He can't start judging the people before he  was born in Bethlehem and complete his mission to died on the Cross. 

This is why he said that God will Judge the world through his Son Jesus Christ. He has appointed Jesus Christ to Judge the world. 

We may give other meanings to this parable and we call it the Prodigal Son.

The point is to explain why the Father will receive him with the greatest honor no one has had before and announce him to all and call for a banquet in his honor. 

The thru is that it was up to Jesus to accept his mission to complete his mission with his pre-Cross suffering and his death on the Cross as we watch him of how he prayed in the Garden before his ordeal. 

The Father had to hope that Jesus will endure to the end but it was not him to endure because it was Jesus who had to endure and for the Father to receive him back Jesus had to endure to the end and he did. And he was worthy to receive his glory. 

The Father to bestowed this multicolored reiment upon him it is because he found him worthy to receive it. The son had earned it and it please the Father to do it and call a celebration like never of its kind happened before. 

With all due respect. 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Jedi4Yahweh]

One of the key features that stands out to me in this parable is the states his son went through after he left his Father and turned to a life of sin and the state he was restored to when he returned.   Its clear from the story his son once had a rightful relationship with is Father but decided on his own to leave and fell into a life of sinful living and destitution and later realized his fallen sinful state and said this, "I will arise and go to my father and say, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no longer worthy to be called your son: make me as one of your hired servants."  Notice it says that he made the decision to arise and go back to his Father and while he was a great way off his Father saw him coming and ran to him and had compassion on him and restored him to his rightful place as son.  Notice what the Father said of his son,  "For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.  Notice it says that he was dead and now alive again meaning he was once alive but died but now alive again.  Meaning he was alive but died when he left his father and chose a life of sin but when he decided to leave this sinful life and return, the Father had compassion/mercy on him and made him alive again.

When someone backslides, leaves the Father, and falls away into sinful life we become spiritually dead, yet there is still hope if we come to ourselves and realize our fallen state and make a decision to leave that sinful life and return to the Father and yet while we are still far away he will see us coming and restore us and make us alive again in his Family.  As scriptures says, draw near to God and he will draw near to you.

In the same way, there is more joy in heaven over one lost sinner who repents and returns to God than over ninety-nine others who are righteous and haven't strayed away! - Luk 15:7 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Jedi4Yahweh

[LaMonte]

     The pivotal point to me is when the son said, “I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, 19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants”. (Luk 15:18) The son went back to his father in repentance, acknowledging his sin, and seeking pardon. 

     I think of King David in “Psa 51:1 “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.”

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

     The prodigal son came back to his father totally broken like King David did. I remember so many times when sons or daughters have totally rebelled against their parents, and they want to come home with some strings attached. Those strings could be, I am going to party a little, smoked marijuana or drink a little, they are playing more than working.

     If they come back with any stipulations that is not true repentance and they’re not really a prodigal son, they are a rebellious son. Look at what the prodigal son said to his father “Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. 

This is true repentance.

[AdHoc]

23 hours ago, grahampaul said:

 

will sit back and think on that for a while, i hadnt seen it before.

I need some time for that one too. A parable is a limited picture to illustrate a point. I can't see Jesus voluntarily leaving His father's House. I can't see Him not be the firstborn. I can't see Him "wasting His Father's goods". I see no riotous living. Yes he died among the pigs, but that was planned. He did not have to confess sin against His Father, nor heaven ... and so on.

I'll need some convincing.

[Your closest friendnt]

22 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

One of the key features that stands out to me in this parable is the states his son went through after he left his Father and turned to a life of sin and the state he was restored to when he returned.   Its clear from the story his son once had a rightful relationship with is Father but decided on his own to leave and fell into a life of sinful living and destitution and later realized his fallen sinful state and said this, "I will arise and go to my father and say, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no longer worthy to be called your son: make me as one of your hired servants."  Notice it says that he made the decision to arise and go back to his Father and while he was a great way off his Father saw him coming and ran to him and had compassion on him and restored him to his rightful place as son.  Notice what the Father said of his son,  "For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.  Notice it says that he was dead and now alive again meaning he was once alive but died but now alive again.  Meaning he was alive but died when he left his father and chose a life of sin but when he decided to leave this sinful life and return, the Father had compassion/mercy on him and made him alive again.

When someone backslides, leaves the Father, and falls away into sinful life we become spiritually dead, yet there is still hope if we come to ourselves and realize our fallen state and make a decision to leave that sinful life and return to the Father and yet while we are still far away he will see us coming and restore us and make us alive again in his Family.  As scriptures says, draw near to God and he will draw near to you.

In the same way, there is more joy in heaven over one lost sinner who repents and returns to God than over ninety-nine others who are righteous and haven't strayed away! - Luk 15:7 

Jesus parables are all of them prophetic. 

He knew what was going to happen to him. He showed himself when he was reading the scriptures that were written about himself and the things to come with the New Covenant and the Grace of God in the New Covenant because he will die on the Cross and God will make him the Propritiation for our sins.

He knew when he will die. He knew that he will die on the Passover day. He knew he was the promised Lamb of God. 

And he was waiting for the Heavenly Father to tell him the right time to put things in motion. 

He knew he was God's Passover Lamb available for for the whole world and given to eat to anyone who believes in him. 

He knew how the sins will be forgiven with his death on the Cross. He knew that he must die and how he will die and what will happen before his death on the Cross and he knew of his resurrection and ascending to the Heavenly Father. 

Jesus knew that he will live as a Priest in the order of Melchizedek and after his death God will glorify him and give him the Heavenly Kingdom of God. To be the King of the Heavenly Kingdom of God. 

The Heavenly Kingston of God includes the whole world besides the Heavenly. 

Edited November 19, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 11/19/2024 at 12:52 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus parables are all of them prophetic. 

He knew what was going to happen to him. He showed himself when he was reading the scriptures that were written about himself and the things to come with the New Covenant and the Grace of God in the New Covenant because he will die on the Cross and God will make him the Propritiation for our sins.

He knew when he will die. He knew that he will die on the Passover day. He knew he was the promised Lamb of God. 

And he was waiting for the Heavenly Father to tell him the right time to put things in motion. 

He knew he was God's Passover Lamb available for for the whole world and given to eat to anyone who believes in him. 

He knew how the sins will be forgiven with his death on the Cross. He knew that he must die and how he will die and what will happen before his death on the Cross and he knew of his resurrection and ascending to the Heavenly Father. 

Jesus knew that he will live as a Priest in the order of Melchizedek and after his death God will glorify him and give him the Heavenly Kingdom of God. To be the King of the Heavenly Kingdom of God. 

The Heavenly Kingston of God includes the whole world besides the Heavenly. 

I appreciate the way you think but you are trying to create connections that are not there.  If you read Luk 15 in context, first you got the Lost Sheep parable, next you got the Lost Coin parable, and lastly the Lost Son parable  (aka Prodigal Son) and then concludes and connects each one of those parables with a similar summary about how there will be much joy over one sinner that repents and returns to God over than the rest that never departed. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I appreciate the way you think but you are trying to create connections that are not there.  If you read Luk 15 in context, first you got the Lost Sheep parable, next you got the Lost Coin parable, and lastly the Lost Son (aka Prodigal Son) parable and concludes and connects each of one those parables with a similar summary about how there will be much joy over one sinner that repents and returns to God over than the rest that never departed. 

I don't like the way you started your response. 

If you did not connect its because you did not have the vision. Abd you are living after everything has happened and you are having the knowledge of how everything came to be with Jesus. Unless you do not think that everything had been fulfilled and the Father has given everything to him and He is above all.In the same way they did not understand that Jesus came as a Priest in the order of Melchizedek. And as a King, and Lord and the Judge of all the apointed one to be Throne so high that every knee shall bow down and confess that He is Lord.

This did not happen to Jesus while he lived before his resurrection because it was apointed to happen after his death, his obedience all the way to the Cross must preceed the Father giving him the Heavenly Kingdom and making him Lord of Lords. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I appreciate the way you think but you are trying to create connections that are not there.  If you read Luk 15 in context, first you got the Lost Sheep parable, next you got the Lost Coin parable, and lastly the Lost Son (aka Prodigal Son) parable and concludes and connects each of one those parables with a similar summary about how there will be much joy over one sinner that repents and returns to God over than the rest that never departed. 

Let's discuss this matter at hand the way you want to.

Luke 15 is a trilogy of three parables. 

The first one is about the Sheppard leaving the 99 sheep and he went looking for one of his sheep that was lost. 

When he returns he said something contrary to the customs of the people of the Law of God before the Cross..

And contrary to their beliefs.

He said in the presence of everyone and the righteous people under the Law as this happened before the Cross. 

Jesus used this parable as a parable of things yet to come.

He empathize of what will come with the New Covenant. Verse seven posted below. 

Jesus spoke about a Heavenly Inheritance that the sheep and his friends and neighbors were heirs of the Heavenly Inheritance. 

At that time the ninty nine sheep under  the Sinai Covenant were gathered to Abraham as their inheritance and Jesus to comply with what was the inheritance of the people, the Jewish people he should have said that Abraham and the people with him are rejoicing because the Lost sheep joint them against. It was their and they lost it as a sinner according to the Law but now was a righteous sheep and part of the children of Abraham. 

That the sheep of this Sheppard have a Heavenly Inheritance and the Sheppard bring the sheep to the flock on his name. 

In this repentance in this parable we do not have a repentance under the Law where the sheep goes before the Priests in the Temple with his offering after having purified himself according to the rituals of purification before he brings his sin offering. 

Jesus spoke about a Sheppard who cleans and purifies in his name and justifies the sinner in his name and the sheep in his flock are part of his inheritance namely the Heavenly Inheritance. 

In other words Jesus described the things of the Messiah the Christ of God.

Jesus portraits himself as the one the people were waiting for. 

He was telling the people that He is the Patriarch of the people of God and He is the way to Heaven because Heaven is his inheritance. 

As opposed what the Jewish people had at that time Abraham and what Abraham had as his inheritance. When they lived, they lived as his children and when they die they die as his children and they are gathered to him. They descended to where Abraham was and his other children with him.

Jesus let them know that the children of the Sheppard will ascend to Heaven. Jesus was telling them that He is Heavenly. Or he has come down from Heaven and that's where He will go. He will return to the Heavenly Father. 

7. I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In this repentance in this parable we do not have a repentance under the Law where the sheep goes before the Priests in the Temple with his offering after having purified himself according to the rituals of purification before he brings his sin offering. 

Hmmm??? What do you mean there was no repentance under the Law.  There is repentance under the Old Covenant and New Covenant. 

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn [yourselves] from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. - Eze 18:30 KJV

Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. - Eze 18:27

NT Great Commission: 

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. - Luk 24:47 

[Paul] Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. - Act 20:21 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Hmmm??? What do you mean there was no repentance under the Law.  There is repentance under the Old Covenant and New Covenant. 

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn [yourselves] from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. - Eze 18:30 KJV

Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. - Eze 18:27

NT Great Commission: 

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. - Luk 24:47 

[Paul] Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. - Act 20:21 

I sorry but the response is not in the context of the parable. The prophets never told the Israelites to disobey the Law and the rules of sanctification and the sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins. And the religious Calendar. 

We are in the time of the Sinai Covenant before the Cross and Jesus was speaking to the Jews who kept the Law of God and needed the Priesthood. And the sacrifices for sins and the cleansing ceremonies to sanctified them. The Lamb of had no been offered yet.

The Lamb of God was saying these parables before his death on the Cross. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Your closest friendnt