Is Israel's chosen status unconditional?

[slave]

This is an interesting question I would like to ask you. 

Do you believe that Israel's chosen status is unconditional, meaning that Israel does not have to keep the Law of God to have this status? For example, is a Jew who is an atheist still part of God's people?

I have formulated the question precisely and shortly, so I would also ask for a precise and short answer.

[other one]

When God made the covenant with Abraham concerning the people he would make from him, the ritual he went through concerned both people walking through sacrificed animals.   But, it was only God that performed that duty by himself.  So yes, the promise of God's chosen people is unconditional that there will always be a remnant to carry out, or he would be breaking his covenant with Abraham.

The covenant he made with the nation of Israel in Moses time was conditional, and the people failed, and he removed himself from them, and they perished as a nation.   But there was always a remnant, just as there is today.   They as it is written will all come to him in the end.

It was fortunate for us, that they rejected him when he came, for it allowed us to be grafted into that Abrahamic covenant.  Grafted into, not replaced.

[In the Clouds]

39 minutes ago, slave said:

This is an interesting question I would like to ask you. 

Do you believe that Israel's chosen status is unconditional, meaning that Israel does not have to keep the Law of God to have this status? For example, is a Jew who is an atheist still part of God's people?

I have formulated the question precisely and shortly, so I would also ask for a precise and short answer.

Since you ask this question, you must know that there are 2 kinds of Jews:  those of the bloodline and those who are circumcised of the heart. And, they may be both at the same time.   Atheists do not believe in God no matter what country they are in/from. 

[slave]

39 minutes ago, other one said:

So yes, the promise of God's chosen people is unconditional that there will always be a remnant to carry out, or he would be breaking his covenant with Abraham.

How did you come to this conclusion?

41 minutes ago, other one said:

It was fortunate for us, that they rejected him when he came, for it allowed us to be grafted into that Abrahamic covenant.  Grafted into, not replaced.

Well, according to the Old Testament Gentiles could anytime convert to Judaism, so can you explain your words?

[BornAgain490]

57 minutes ago, slave said:

This is an interesting question I would like to ask you. 

Do you believe that Israel's chosen status is unconditional, meaning that Israel does not have to keep the Law of God to have this status? For example, is a Jew who is an atheist still part of God's people?

I have formulated the question precisely and shortly, so I would also ask for a precise and short answer.

God has always only had one people: people of faith. 

God chose Israel to be a priestly and a holy nation, separated from all other nations, for a specific purpose:  it was through Abraham Isaac and Jacob that the promised Seed would come to crush the head of the serpent, and by doing so destroy the power of sin and death. That promise was fulfilled in the birth, crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of the promised Seed, Jesus Christ. 

God has always only had one people of promise. Those people are all that had faith in God's promised Seed that would come, and have faith in God's promised Seed that did come. Those people included all people of faith from Genesis to Revelation, from the very beginning to the very end. One people, whom Paul calls the Israel of God. 

Being a Jew profits you nothing if you have not received Jesus Christ and been born again.  If a Jew denies Christ, he is no different than a Gentile that denies Christ, and his eternity is likewise the same as all unbelievers: condemned to eternal separation from God. 

[slave]

26 minutes ago, In the Clouds said:

Since you ask this question, you must know that there are 2 kinds of Jews:  those of the bloodline and those who are circumcised of the heart. And, they may be both at the same time.   Atheists do not believe in God no matter what country they are in/from. 

Hello, my question was not how many kinds of Jews there are. My question was precise enough to understand.

And I know the theology of carnal Jews and spiritual Jews, this however is part of replacement theology, another topic. I believe in replacement theology.

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, slave said:

This is an interesting question I would like to ask you. 

Do you believe that Israel's chosen status is unconditional, meaning that Israel does not have to keep the Law of God to have this status? For example, is a Jew who is an atheist still part of God's people?

I have formulated the question precisely and shortly, so I would also ask for a precise and short answer.

Shalom, @slave.

The children of Israel are holy to God, whether they are righteous or not. However, if one is going to act like one of the "sons of Belial" ("בְּנֵי־בְלִיַּעַל"), then he or she has excluded HIMSELF or HERSELF from the children of Israel. Some say they are atheists because they don't believe in God anymore. Some say they are atheists because they are sad and disillusioned by His lack of communication with them. Only God can sort out the intentions of an individual, and God will deal with that individual appropriately.

[other one]

41 minutes ago, slave said:

How did you come to this conclusion?

Well, according to the Old Testament Gentiles could anytime convert to Judaism, so can you explain your words?

Don't confuse the covenant with Abraham with the covenant with Moses, they are not the same.   it is the Abrahamic covenant that creates God's chosen people.   The first covenant made with Moses is made none effect when one accepts the second.  I've already posted how one does that.

[other one]

47 minutes ago, slave said:

How did you come to this conclusion?

Well, according to the Old Testament Gentiles could anytime convert to Judaism, so can you explain your words?

As I said, Judaism is not the covenant that created God's chosen people.  It was the covenant that he made with Abraham.  And it's why there has to always be a remnant.    It came after the dividing of the people at the tower of Babel.   God wanted to create his own people from scratch and used Abraham to do so.

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by other one
to add to that, it was Abraham's faith that qualified him to be chosen to do so.

[slave]

1 minute ago, other one said:

As I said, Judaism is not the covenant that created God's chosen people.  It was the covenant that he made with Abraham.

Judaism started with Abraham. Abraham was the first Jew. Even Jews say so.

9 minutes ago, other one said:

Don't confuse the covenant with Abraham with the covenant with Moses, they are not the same.   it is the Abrahamic covenant that creates God's chosen people.   The first covenant made with Moses is made none effect when one accepts the second.  I've already posted how one does that.

Why are they not the same? What is the difference between the two? The reason because Abraham was chosen was because he kept the law of God (Gen 26:5).