Some Who Call Themselves 'Christian' Will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God?

[BornAgain490]

16 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

 There is NO edification of unbelievers.  

Faith comes by hearing the word of God. 

[BornAgain490]

22 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Christianity isn't human morality.  

Yet the immoral cannot be called Christian.

[BornAgain490]

25 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

 It is living a supernatural life through the power of the Holy Spirit by being filled with the Spirit.

Precisely why the ungodly and unrighteous, who mind only the things of the flesh and not the things of the Spirit, will not inherit the kingdom of God. 

[BornAgain490]

33 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

This opinion is refuted by the verses I've shared and what Paul wrote about his audience NOT being IGNORANT.  Of course believers can be ignorant.

Believers can be deaf, dumb, and blind, but everyone born again in Christ has the truth - Jesus Christ, and they know it.  Maybe you don't, or maybe you know someone else who claims to be in Christ but doesn't have any truth in them.  If they don't have truth, which is Christ,  then they don't have Christ, nor are they in Christ. 

[BornAgain490]

38 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

There is gospel truth, which is saving faith.  Then, there is lifestyle truth, that being of trusting God for all your needs/etc.

There is truth. Period.  That truth is Jesus Christ. If you are in Christ then you have the truth and you'll know the truth, and you'll be known by the truth. 

[BornAgain490]

52 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

The problem is that you have been taught that "real" Christians all act great and don't sin much

I never said any such thing, nor do I advocate it.  What I've always said is that those in Christ will backslide, but will regret their sin, be remorseful of it, and repent of it. Unlike the lost who claim to be in Christ but aren't, but will continue to willfully sin with impunity, claiming God's grace has saved them to live as they please. You'll see these in the hyperdispensational camps, the easy-believists, and so-called "greasy gracers". 

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

One would have to ignore or outright reject the clear words of Romans 8:17 to say this.

And, why did you ignore the 3rd parallel passage, Eph 5:5 when you cited the other 2?

Again, only heirs inherit, and only born again in Christ are heirs. 

[tatwo]

On 12/13/2024 at 5:22 PM, BornAgain490 said:

First and foremost, only the born again in Christ will inherit the kingdom of God. 

You either are, or you are not born again. There is no 'half-way there', no 'on the fence', no 'I think I am'.  If you are born again, you know you are born again. 

Jesus answered and said unto Nicodemus:  "Amen, amen, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."  (John 3:3).

We are born again when God the Holy Spirit moves in our spirit and brings our spirit into a right relationship with God, which is when we begin to be led by the Spirit and become children of God. (Romans 8:14).

Maybe and then again maybe not…allow me to explain my thinking here...large subject and maybe not as simply cut and dried as one might think.

Interestingly…being “born again” in that verse allows one to “see” the kingdom of God as the Lord put it. “See” in that context can also mean to “perceive”…encompassing both the physical act of seeing with the eyes and the metaphorical sense of perceiving or understanding with the mind.

This was spoken to a Pharisee…a ruler of the Jews…who by his own admission…“Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him”…had very likely “perceived” the identity of the Lord Yahshua who…in that moment…is the Kingdom of God on earth.

It is as though the Lord is telling Nicodemus…if you truly see me as I am…via your faith…you are “born again.” Well…if that were true…that would have put Nicodemus in a precarious situation…as a “ruler of the Jews and a Pharisee”…no?

It could have likely meant a significant “change” to Nicodemus’ livelihood & lifestyle…and based upon how the conversation progressed…Yahshua appeared fully intent on challenging Nicodemus in this way. Here’s why I say that…”seeing”…the Kingdom of God as the Lord explains it in John…is something different than “entering” the Kingdom of God…as the Lord Yahshua will shortly explain to a now seriously intrigued Nicodemus.

Verse 5…”Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” There is “seeing” the open doorway and then there is the “obedience” of acting upon the Lord’s Word…by “walking through”…so to speak…the open doorway into the spirit realm known as the Kingdom of heaven…to meet the Father of creation…by receiving His Holy Spirit into his human spirit.

“Entering” describes both physical and metaphorical entry. Physically, it can refer to entering a place, such as a house or city. Metaphorically, it can describe entering into a state or condition, such as entering into life or the kingdom of God. The term often implies a transition from one state or place to another, highlighting the significance of the action.

My point being…the way the Lord Yahshua spells it out for Nicodemus [us] being “born again” by faith…enables one to ”see or perceive” the Kingdom of God [Christ]…and “being born of the water and the Spirit” via direct obedience to the now “seen” Word of God…causes one to enter into the Kingdom of God.

This is similar to when the disciples were gathered in Jerusalem after His resurrection…where the Lord appeared to them and “breathed on them and *said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit”…in commissioning them in John 20…just prior to His ascension.

Then subsequently telling these same disciples in Acts 1…”but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now”…followed by…”you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you.

So in this case His disciples were clearly “born again” when they received the Holy Spirit.  I understand the uniqueness of this scenario…the process of John 3 is still the same. There are other similar examples of this “seeing and then entering” concept…however…back to your point BornAgain490.

“You either are, or you are not born again. There is no 'half-way there', no 'on the fence', no 'I think I am'.  If you are born again, you know you are born again.”

So realistically…imagine the potential for people to be “born again” thus enabling them to “see” the Kingdom of God…while not having been “born of the water and the Spirit” thus not being empowered by the Holy Spirit enabling them to “enter” the Kingdom of God.

Haven’t you ever seen “born again” people with no spiritual power to grow and mature? The church is replete with them…are they born again one may ask…yes some of them are…they see the Lord for who He is. Many churches teach that this is all one needs…less teach the need for baptism and the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

There is much more to this…like what happens to those who are born again but not empowered for one example?

Tatwo…

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

 It was ONLY the original disciples/apostles that were trained personally by Jesus to evangelize and TEACH the converts.  It was never a "free-for-all" where EVERY convert was commanded to make more converts and TEACH them EVERYTHING that Jesus taught THEM.

A disciple is a student.  A student learns from one who has attained knowledge in the discipline, another disciple. When the student learns all he needs from the one teaching him, he goes on to teach others as a disciple teaching other students to become disciples.  Thus, the mission of the GC to teach/disciple others is perpetual. Just like any other discipline, e.g., martial arts, stone masonry, etc.  

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

  FreeGrace said:

 There is NO edification of unbelievers.  

Faith comes by hearing the word of God. 

So you think edification is salvation?

Romans 14:19 - Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.

Strong's Lexicon

oikodomé: Building, edification, structure

Original Word: οἰκοδομή
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikodomé
Pronunciation: oy-kod-om-ay'
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kod-om-ay')
Definition: Building, edification, structure
Meaning: (a) the act of building, (b) a building, (c) met: spiritual advancement, edification.

Usage: The term "oikodomé" primarily refers to the act of building or constructing a physical structure. In the New Testament, it is often used metaphorically to describe the spiritual edification or building up of the church and individual believers. It emphasizes growth, strengthening, and development in faith and character.

Your use of the word isn't even close to the meaning of the word.

Edification is about spiritual growth, or "building up the faith".  It has NOTHING to do with unbelievers.