Some Who Call Themselves 'Christian' Will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God?

[FreeGrace]

37 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  FreeGrace said:

 It was ONLY the original disciples/apostles that were trained personally by Jesus to evangelize and TEACH the converts.  It was never a "free-for-all" where EVERY convert was commanded to make more converts and TEACH them EVERYTHING that Jesus taught THEM.

A disciple is a student. 

The Greek means a "learner".  I've seen many a "poor student" in school, learning nothing.  

37 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

A student learns from one who has attained knowledge in the discipline, another disciple.

Can you show me ANY verse where Jesus trained the 120 or so (Acts 1:15) that followed Him during His ministry?

And, can you show me ANY verse where ANY of the human authors commanded believers in general (meaning all of them) to "go into all the world", "making disciples", and then "baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Spirit".  And THEN, teaching them everything that Christ taught YOU?

btw, how are you doing obeying YOUR commission?  Where all have you gone into the world, and how many converts have you baptized?  And then, taught them everything Jesus has taught you?

[BornAgain490]

4 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Of course onluy heirs inherit.  That's the meaning of the words.  But Rom 8:17b is a CONDITIONAL CLAUSE, which you conveniently ignore because you're unable to explain that which refutes your ideas.

And why ignore Eph 5:5, which proves that "having no inheritance IN IN IN the kingdom" is the result of disobedience, not refusing admittance into the kingdom.

"Having no inheritence" and "shall not inherit" mean the exact same thing. 

[tatwo]

On 12/13/2024 at 5:22 PM, BornAgain490 said:

We are born again when God the Holy Spirit moves in our spirit and brings our spirit into a right relationship with God, which is when we begin to be led by the Spirit and become children of God. (Romans 8:14).

I can agree with this…we become “children of God” new born infants in the house of God.

On 12/13/2024 at 5:22 PM, BornAgain490 said:

As soon as we are born again we are in Christ, and Christ is in us, which means we are no longer carnally minded and walk after the flesh or mind the things of the flesh, but we walk after the Spirit and mind the things of the Spirit. (Romans 8:1).

Well to say that “as soon as we are born again…we are no longer carnally minded” is a bit of a stretch don’t you think? Granted when the Holy Spirit indwells our human spirit we are “saved”…however our “human soul”…the “seat of the mind will and emotions” knows nothing about the Holy Spirit at that point…having just been enlightened...right?

Which is why as you correctly stated earlier…when we are first “born again” we become "children of God"…you were right…”children” and not mature spiritual adults.

Tatwo...:)

[FreeGrace]

13 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Backslidden Christains repent,  as we see in king David. 

Sure.  He was under severe divine discipline.  Just read Psa 38:1-8

LORD, do not rebuke me in your anger or discipline me in your wrath.  Your arrows have pierced me, and your hand has come down on me.  Because of your wrath there is no health in my body; there is no soundness in my bones because of my sin.  My guilt has overwhelmed me like a burden too heavy to bear.  My wounds fester and are loathsome because of my sinful folly.  I am bowed down and brought very low; all day long I go about mourning.  My back is filled with searing pain; there is no health in my body.  I am feeble and utterly crushed; I groan in anguish of heart.

Sound like a picnic to you?

God brought him to his knees.  That's how believers usually repent.

And don't forget the prodigal son.  He had to come to his senses before he repented.

 

[FreeGrace]

13 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

And there are those that believe in a secret pretrib rapture, an event that in not explicitly mentioned in scripture. 

Right!  So you're warming to the idea that believers can be ignorant of truth!

[BornAgain490]

3 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

The Greek means a "learner".  I've seen many a "poor student" in school, learning nothing.  

Can you show me ANY verse where Jesus trained the 120 or so (Acts 1:15) that followed Him during His ministry?

And, can you show me ANY verse where ANY of the human authors commanded believers in general (meaning all of them) to "go into all the world", "making disciples", and then "baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Spirit".  And THEN, teaching them everything that Christ taught YOU?

btw, how are you doing obeying YOUR commission?  Where all have you gone into the world, and how many converts have you baptized?  And then, taught them everything Jesus has taught you?

"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books thar should be written. Amen."  John. 21:25. 

[FreeGrace]

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

I received saving faith from the Lord the moment I was born again

No you didn't and there are NO verses that say what you are saying.  Saving faith is trusting in the Savior and His finished work on the cross.

The Bible says that man believes from his HEART (mind, soul, consciousness).  Rom 10:10

And one is born again the exact moment they believe.  Your order has it backwards.

7 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

and that is the faith by which I live my life, knowing that His promises are true, and that the good work He began in me He will complete.  

Do you live your life consistently? Or do you waver from time to time? 

[BornAgain490]

7 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

how are you doing obeying YOUR commission?

I have a quaint little ministry.  Thank you. 

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

"Having no inheritence" and "shall not inherit" mean the exact same thing. 

Yes, that has been my point.  Of the 3 parallel passages, 2 use "not inherit" and Eph 5:5 uses "have no inheritance".  But don't forget what follows:  IN IN IN the kingdom.

 

[FreeGrace]

6 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books thar should be written. Amen."  John. 21:25. 

Quit dodging, please.  Deal with my points.  This post isn't how.