Some Who Call Themselves 'Christian' Will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God?

[BornAgain490]

5 minutes ago, tatwo said:

our “human soul”…the “seat of the mind will and emotions” knows nothing about the Holy Spirit at that point…having just been enlightened...right?

I like to say it was brought to spiritual life.  And oh how amazing it is. 

[tatwo]

On 12/13/2024 at 5:22 PM, BornAgain490 said:

Those that call themselves "Christians", yet continue to walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh, are still spiritually dead. (Romans 8:6). 

Wouldn’t that depend upon their spiritual maturity? Meaning the degree that one has been “conformed to the image of Christ?”

Paul in Romans 8 wrote [emphasis mine]…“And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.  For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”

This is typically overlooked by most of Christianity…Paul wrote…those who are called…are called according to God’s purpose…whom He foreknew…these are “predestined” to become conformed to the image of His Son.

This “become conformed to the image of His son”…is the process of spiritual maturity. From a new born spiritual infant all the way to mature spiritual adult…Paul further illustrates this in Ephesian 2 where he wrote…“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

Most of Christianity won't and don't even touch this reality...it sure doesn't get much attention around here. 

My point…well...until a new born spiritual infant grows up in to a mature spiritual adult…which is the process of moving from carnality and minding the things of the flesh…to a life lived and lead by the Holy Spirit…they will exhibit carnality in minding the deeds of the flesh…albeit to lesser and lesser degrees as they mature.

If one is not aware of the Father's divine intention for their existence in Christ...they cannot grow and mature in the good works which God prepared beforehand for them. That is the definition of disobedient and rebellious...children of God...none the less. Anyone care to guess what's instore for rebellious children of God that have been saved?

Tatwo...:)

[BornAgain490]

Just now, FreeGrace said:

Quit dodging, please.  Deal with my points.  This post isn't how.

How many disciples/students did Jesus have during His ministry?  Do you even know?  

[BornAgain490]

8 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Right!  So you're warming to the idea that believers can be ignorant of truth!

Actually, I think pretribbers are deceived. 

[FreeGrace]

6 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

FreeGrace said:

how are you doing obeying YOUR commission?

I have a quaint little ministry.  Thank you. 

LOL.  Ravi Zacharias had a huge ministry.  So what?

The great commission doesn't concern a "little ministry" or even a big one.  

The great commission deals with traveling over the world, baptizing people and teaching them what Jesus taught you.  

Not what other humans taught you.  Just read Matt 28:19,20 and you'll see what I mean. 

[FreeGrace]

2 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

FreeGrace said:

Right!  So you're warming to the idea that believers can be ignorant of truth!

Actually, I think pretribbers are deceived. 

Deception involves liars.  Do you believe that pastors/etc who teach a pre-trib rapture are knowingly deceiving their flocks?  I don't.

I think people who believe in that have simply been taught wrong.  

Kinda like those who believe that Jesus Christ ONLY died for some.

Or that regeneration precedes faith.

Things like that.

[BornAgain490]

6 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

No you didn't and there are NO verses that say what you are saying.  Saving faith is trusting in the Savior and His finished work on the cross.

The Bible says that man believes from his HEART (mind, soul, consciousness).  Rom 10:10

And one is born again the exact moment they believe.  Your order has it backwards.

Do you live your life consistently? Or do you waver from time to time? 

I have it right: Born Again by the power of God Almighty at which time he gifted me saving faith. 

[BornAgain490]

Just now, FreeGrace said:

Deception involves liars.  Do you believe that pastors/etc who teach a pre-trib rapture are knowingly deceiving their flocks?  I don't.

I think people who believe in that have simply been taught wrong.  

Kinda like those who believe that Jesus Christ ONLY died for some.

Or that regeneration precedes faith.

Things like that.

I've seen more pastors abandon pretrib rapture in the last ten years or so because they've finally reconciled scripture with scripture, instead of reconciling  Scofield with Larkin. 

[BornAgain490]

5 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

LOL.  Ravi Zacharias had a huge ministry.  So what?

The great commission doesn't concern a "little ministry" or even a big one.  

The great commission deals with traveling over the world, baptizing people and teaching them what Jesus taught you.  

Not what other humans taught you.  Just read Matt 28:19,20 and you'll see what I mean. 

Precisely why the gospel message was written down and carried from one nation to another by disciples of disciples of disciples etc, for hundreds of years. God has given me the the ministry I have. If He calls me out to another area, or calls me home, let His will be done. 

[BornAgain490]

12 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes, that has been my point.  Of the 3 parallel passages, 2 use "not inherit" and Eph 5:5 uses "have no inheritance".  But don't forget what follows:  IN IN IN the kingdom.

 

The word "in" is not used as you are suggesting. It is used to indicate that there is no getting in to the kingdom for the ones who practice  ungodliness and unrighteousness.