Animals

[Dennis1209]

49 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

According to Gen 6.  After the fall of Adam and Eve eventually sin corrupted all of earth's creation including animals. 

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. ... The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. - Gen 6:7, 11-12 KJV

God made man to be the ruler and keeper over all God's earthly creation which includes the animal kingdom.  Animals were subjected to the authority of Adam (man) just as man is subjected the the authority of God.   When man rebelled and sinned against God's authority this in turn effected Adam's (man's) authority and rulership over God's creation and this is why all flesh became corrupted to include animals.

The word corruption means: to defile, to pervert, to ruin, to destroy, to corrupt, to spoil, to decay, to error, to change from good to bad, to make impure. 

I agree, but I think there is much more to the story.

Genesis 6:9 (KJV) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Noah was justified before God; does perfect mean he was sinless, or something else? Romans 3:23 (KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; so it must mean something else. I propose this reference is Noah’s biology as created; his DNA was not corrupted in other words.

The first prophecy in the Bible, Genesis 3: 15, gives us a clue (the seed war). Shortly thereafter, we have the literal account presented, and also after that, Genesis 6: 1-5, hybrids, a.k.a. Nephilim, the fallen ones, giants. They shall not rise.

It explains why God chose to destroy ALL flesh with the breath of life with the flood.

Isaiah 26:14 (KJV) They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

These departed spirits are rep̱āîm (Rephaim), descendants of the Nephilim, who I believe are the demons. Before Noah’s flood, where do we hear of unclean spirits, evil spirits, devils, demons, or necromancy?

Just my thoughts.

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

The first prophecy in the Bible, Genesis 3: 15, gives us a clue (the seed war). Shortly thereafter, we have the literal account presented, and also after that, Genesis 6: 1-5, hybrids, a.k.a. Nephilim, the fallen ones, giants. They shall not rise.

It explains why God chose to destroy ALL flesh with the breath of life with the flood.

Isaiah 26:14 (KJV) They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

These departed spirits are rep̱āîm (Rephaim), descendants of the Nephilim, who I believe are the demons. Before Noah’s flood, where do we hear of unclean spirits, evil spirits, devils, demons, or necromancy?

Agreed about spirits of the Nephilim becoming the unclean spirits/demons that now plague the world as Enoch clearly describes, but I think that should be for another topic.  It can not be the fallen angels because they are locked away in everlasting chains under darkness until the great day of Judgement.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. - Jde 1:6

[Soul for God]

On 12/20/2024 at 7:03 PM, Who me said:

You need to read what the bible says and understand who is doing the talking.

Read genesis chapter 9 verses 1, 2 and 3.

In them God, the creator, gives permission to Noah and his descendants to eat meat.

If God has given permission who then dares say it is sinful! 

But didn't his permission derive from our sin

I mean if Adam and eve didn't fall world would still be without animals and food

Wasn't Jesus recreating his original idea in garden of eden

I'm just trying to understand 

[Vine Abider]

On 12/20/2024 at 1:51 PM, Michael37 said:

Bible-believers don't accept that theory. Once Creation had become tainted, the whole of it was painted. One act of disobedience was enough to contaminate everything. Creation was no longer perfect, but not beyond hope. In Christ the sufferings of the fallen world fade to nothing, and His glory is revealed in those who He has redeemed. Is that you?

Rom 8:18-22  For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.  (19)  For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.  (20)  For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;  (21)  because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.  (22)  For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

 

On 12/21/2024 at 8:33 AM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

According to Gen 6.  After the fall of Adam and Eve eventually sin corrupted all of earth's creation including animals. 

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. ... The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. - Gen 6:7, 11-12 KJV

God made man to be the ruler and keeper over all God's earthly creation which includes the animal kingdom.  Animals were subjected to the authority of Adam (man) just as man is subjected the the authority of God.   When man rebelled and sinned against God's authority this in turn effected Adam's (man's) authority and rulership over God's creation and this is why all flesh became corrupted to include animals.

The word corruption means: to defile, to pervert, to ruin, to destroy, to corrupt, to spoil, to decay, to error, to change from good to bad, to make impure. 

And I would add to these two observations - since Adam was given dominion over the creation in Genesis 1:26, he had God's delegated authority over it.  When man fell and became corrupted this included the creation, since Adam was its head.  If the head is corrupted, then all of it is, therefore the whole creation was subjected to futility and death and all the misery that goes with it.

[Who me]

On 12/30/2024 at 3:44 PM, Soul for God said:

But didn't his permission derive from our sin

I mean if Adam and eve didn't fall world would still be without animals and food

Wasn't Jesus recreating his original idea in garden of eden

I'm just trying to understand 

Gen 9:1, Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

 

The permission to eat meat comes direct from God, so it cannot be sinful  to eat meat.

The conditions that caused God to give this permission were a result of sin and of God's dealing with sinners, through a world wide flood.

 

Jesus wasn't  recreating Eden in the world in his incarnation, but he will when he comes again and makes all things new.

 

What the world and us would be like if Adam hadn't  sinned is beyond my ability to imagine. 

Certainly it would be totally  different. As the prophecies about his 2nd coming say.

The lion will lie down with a cow.

A child will put its hand in a vipers nest and not get bitten etc