Your sins are paid for but have they been forgiven?

[Your closest friendnt]

@PATrobas 

You did not mentioned the fact that they stand in the Holy Place and they ate from the Lord’s Table from the Holy Bread and they gave it to their wives and their children. And they ate the Holy sacrifices the offerings unto the Lord and they gave it to their wives and their children. 

In your original post some things were said that are contrary to what the Lord told them in Person and Jesus referred to them word for word. I notice that you did not give scripture that supports your comments but instead the comments were supported by a common opinion on a foundation built on shifting sand. Because the scriptures say that their sins were forgiven. The atonic sacrifices for sins were in place to forgive their sins. If not why would they be called atonic sacrifices but to atone for their sins. Why do you speak against that, please clarify. Their sins were forgiven and when someone's sin is forgiven he is restored back to be a righteous person. They had the yearly Atonement and their righteous state of being it was from year to year. If they commit a sin during that year they had to offered an Atonement sacrifices for that sin to be restored back to be a righteous person.  That was for those who were eligible to participate in the Atonements of the Law of Moses. At the Cross all eligibility were taken away. The Law fall of the cliff and keeps falling and together with the people who continue to follow it as all Atonements were taken away and the people are found in their sins. 

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[PATrobas]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@PATrobas 

You did not mentioned the fact that they stand in the Holy Place and they ate from the Lord’s Table from the Holy Bread and they gave it to their wives and their children. And they ate the Holy sacrifices the offerings unto the Lord and they gave it to their wives and their children. 

In your original post some things were said that are contrary to what the Lord told them in Person and Jesus referred to them word for word. I notice that you did not give scripture that supports your comments but instead the comments were supported by a common opinion on a foundation built on shifting sand. Because the scriptures say that their sins were forgiven. The atonic sacrifices for sins were in place to forgive their sins. If not why would they be called atonic sacrifices but to atone for their sins. Why do you speak against that, please clarify. Their sins were forgiven and when someone's sin is forgiven he is restored back to be a righteous person. They had the yearly Atonement and their righteous state of being it was from year to year. If they commit a sin during that year they had to offered an Atonement sacrifices for that sin to be restored back to be a righteous person.  That was for those who were eligible to participate in the Atonements of the Law of Moses. At the Cross all eligibility were taken away. The Law fall of the cliff and keeps falling and together with the people who continue to follow it as all Atonements were taken away and the people are found in their sins. 

 

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@PATrobas 

You did not mentioned the fact that they stand in the Holy Place and they ate from the Lord’s Table from the Holy Bread and they gave it to their wives and their children. And they ate the Holy sacrifices the offerings unto the Lord and they gave it to their wives and their children. 

In your original post some things were said that are contrary to what the Lord told them in Person and Jesus referred to them word for word. I notice that you did not give scripture that supports your comments but instead the comments were supported by a common opinion on a foundation built on shifting sand. Because the scriptures say that their sins were forgiven. The atonic sacrifices for sins were in place to forgive their sins. If not why would they be called atonic sacrifices but to atone for their sins. Why do you speak against that, please clarify. Their sins were forgiven and when someone's sin is forgiven he is restored back to be a righteous person. They had the yearly Atonement and their righteous state of being it was from year to year. If they commit a sin during that year they had to offered an Atonement sacrifices for that sin to be restored back to be a righteous person.  That was for those who were eligible to participate in the Atonements of the Law of Moses. At the Cross all eligibility were taken away. The Law fall of the cliff and keeps falling and together with the people who continue to follow it as all Atonements were taken away and the people are found in their sins. 

 

I have no idea what atonic means. I gave scripture references to all my points. What specifically are you wanting?

If referring to OT sacrifices, Hebrews 10 gives excellent teaching on the ineffectiveness of the OT sacrifices which could never take away sins but the once for all sacrifice of Jesus did.

Perhaps you are confusing my statements that everybody's sin and sins were paid for at the cross, whether they believe it or not. But only them that believe (whether OT or NT) have their sins forgiven. Blessings.

 

 

 

 

[Lend An Ear]

the   truth  is,  this Greek word   -  ἄφεσις     -    aphesis  -     is only used   17   total  times  in  the  entire manuscripts  of  the  N.T.

yet,  we  notice  in  the  K.J.V   translation  the  word  forgive  is  used   69   total  times 
and we notice  in  the  Catholic  D.R.B.  translation  the  word  forgive  is  used   62   total  times

forgive   _____   28  times,    K.J.V                /         26    times  Catholic  D.R.B.
forgiven   _____       24   K.J.V   times,         /         25   times,   Catholic  D.R.B.
forgave   _____       8    K.J.V   times,         /         4   times,    Catholic  D.R.B.
forgiveness   _____       6    K.J.V   times,    /    3   times,   Catholic  D.R.B.
forgiving   _____       2    K.J.V   times,      /     3   times,    Catholic  D.R.B.
forgiveth   _____       1    K.J.V   times,    /    1   times,   Catholic  D.R.B.
---- 
=   ____     69  total times  -    K.J.V         /      62   total times    -  Catholic  D.R.B.

In the Greek manuscripts    -   “   ἄφεσις     -    aphesis   /  af'-es-is   “     is only used   17   total  times, the question is why and what does this mean in context and what are the other Greek words used that the translators are using      -     as     “   forgive  and  pardon  “  ?

Here are  the   17   total times this Greek word   -  ἄφεσις     -    aphesis  -     is used in the manuscripts,

Mat 26:28       my blood of the new testament, ….. is shed for many,   for the    “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins;
Mar 1:4      John preached……..  baptism of repentance for the    “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins;
Mar 3:29    blaspheme the  Spirit  Of  The  Holy  never has  “   ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     in danger of eternal damnation:
Luk 1:77    Jesus gives……….  knowledge of salvation ……… by the    “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of  their  sins;
Luk 3:3     {  John the Baptist  }   ……… preaching the baptism of repentance for the    “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins;
Luk 4:18    to preach    “   ἄφεσις  \  forgivness  “   to the captives   -    to set at   “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “    the  broken
Luk 24:47      ……. repentance  and “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins should be preached in his name
Act 2:38   Repent, and be baptized ……in the name of Jesus Christ for the    “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins;  
Act 5:31    Jesus  .    ……  Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and   “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “  of sins.
Act 10:43  whosoever believeth in him shall receive “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “ of sins.
Act 13:38     { Jesus  }   ……. this man is preached unto you the “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “ of sins:
Act 26:18     that they may receive “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins;  and inheritance ….. sanctified by faith that is in me.
Eph 1:7    In whom we have redemption through his blood, the “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins
Col 1:14    {  in  Jesus  }  we have  redemption through his blood, even the “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins.
Heb 9:22     and without shedding of blood is no “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins; 
Heb 10:18  Now where “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness   “     of sins;  of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

The truth about   -“    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness

  there is never again any other mentioning's whatsoever any mentions nor usages of this Greek word in the New Testament manuscripts  that  are  - applying the Forgiveness,  Pardon  -  as to  fully  and  completely  Pardon  as  to   Absolve,  Exonerate,  Forgive……  outside  of  these  verses  using  the  Greek  word     “    ἄφεσις  \  forgivness    “     17   total  times 

  And if you notice all of these   17   total    passages are   ONLY  -  ONLY   centered  around  Gods  shed   blood   and  the  work  of  God through repentance and the repentant  sinner  existing in the state and status of a  sinner whom  is   receiving  salvation by faith in His word .

in fact.  this Greek word  never, ever  -    never  APPLIES  nor  APPEARS  ever again in the manuscripts  - under any other circumstances in all of  remainder of the approximately  other  50  +  verses where we see the word   “  forgiveness  “   in  the  translations.

the other  50  +  verses where we see forgiveness in the translation, it is the Greek word  forsake,  let go or put away

 

this word is    -     ἀφίημι -    aphiēmi   -    meaning =       To send forth  -   away ,  lay  aside,  leave,  let  alone,  be gone,  put away.    yield up   sin

God has already Pardoned and Forgiven,  Absolved,  Exonerated   “    ἄφεσις   - aphesis   \  forgivness   “  of sins.

AFTER WE REPENT   -  WE ASK THAT GOD WILL   -        “   ἀφίημι -    aphiēmi   “   our  sins    -    meaning =       To  send  away  our sins  to give us strength to   -  lay  aside,  leave,  let   alone  and  be gone  and   put away  and    yield up  our  sin \

sin that he has already  forgiven / pardoned  2000  years ago  that we receive by repenting, baptism and receiving the gift of the Spirit of the Holy in the Anointing Jesus 

This    “    ἄφεσις  \ - aphesis     forgivness   “     Forgiveness and Pardon was already done  Completed  one time 2000  years ago by shedding of blood on the cross.  the Greek word  aphesis   \  forgivness  only  appears  17   total  times in the manuscript.

this is the amazing Love of God

Edited December 24, 2024 by Lend An Ear

[PATrobas]

1 hour ago, Lend An Ear said:

sin that he has already  forgiven / pardoned  2000  years ago  that we receive by repenting, baptism and receiving the gift of the Spirit of the Holy in the Anointing Jesus 

Interesting take on the Greek, however I take issue with your statement above, and perhaps in a different thread we should discuss, but in short, salvation is by faith alone in the completed work of Jesus on the cross and in His resurrection. Water baptism has no part in my salvation. Might seem a minor point but it is either all Him or I'm lost. Repentance takes place at or just before salvation. Receiving the HS takes place at or immediately after salvation. What Jesus did by shedding His blood was PAY the penalty for the sin and sins of the world and by that act he paved the way for all who come after to receive forgiveness when they believe the Gospel. Otherwise salvation becomes conditional on what I DO, not what I believe was done on my behalf.

[Lend An Ear]

you are right in line with scripture, perfect and so very true.

thanks for making that correction or clarification, my post was to simply to make the presentation concerning specifically on how the Greek word   - "    ☞  aphesis   \  forgiveness /  pardon  "    only  appears  17   total  times in the manuscript and how the word is applied only specifically pertaining to the application or process of repentance, being baptized and receiving the Spirit Holy - the  initial step of repentance 

also, the application of the blood of atonement shed by Jesus ... 

the  initial or first step of repentance   and the literal application of the blood at calvary  ✦  upon these two things the Greek word appears  17   total  times in the manuscripts, additionally as i mentioned afore  -  -  ✒   when the apostles were bringing sinners to Christ in the scriptures they,   "   the Apostles in Scripture     "   are commanding anyone who had been baptized previously without using the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - to drop everything at once and immediately be Re - Baptized..... and this is at least ongoing for 50 years after the resurrection,.

you have such an important message in the truth that baptism does not save us nor anything we can do of ourselves 

thank you  -    and i was simply trying to explain that the  initial or first step of repentance   and the literal application of the blood at calvary   

upon these two, within the context of these two things alone the Greek word appears  17  total  times in the manuscripts, the other 50  + additional other  instances where we see the word forgiveness in the transition, the Greek word forgiveness is not used in the manuscripts.

these other instances is the Greek “   ἀφίημι - aphiēmi  “    =    To  send  away -  lay  aside,  leave,  let   alone  and  be gone  and  put away  our  sin.  My statement would have incomplete without you there to clarify and I thank you for that.

God bless you alway

[PATrobas]

On 12/25/2024 at 12:44 PM, Lend An Ear said:

you are right in line with scripture, perfect and so very true.

thanks for making that correction or clarification, my post was to simply to make the presentation concerning specifically on how the Greek word   - "    ☞  aphesis   \  forgiveness /  pardon  "    only  appears  17   total  times in the manuscript and how the word is applied only specifically pertaining to the application or process of repentance, being baptized and receiving the Spirit Holy - the  initial step of repentance 

also, the application of the blood of atonement shed by Jesus ... 

the  initial or first step of repentance   and the literal application of the blood at calvary  ✦  upon these two things the Greek word appears  17   total  times in the manuscripts, additionally as i mentioned afore  -  -  ✒   when the apostles were bringing sinners to Christ in the scriptures they,   "   the Apostles in Scripture     "   are commanding anyone who had been baptized previously without using the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - to drop everything at once and immediately be Re - Baptized..... and this is at least ongoing for 50 years after the resurrection,.

you have such an important message in the truth that baptism does not save us nor anything we can do of ourselves 

thank you  -    and i was simply trying to explain that the  initial or first step of repentance   and the literal application of the blood at calvary   

upon these two, within the context of these two things alone the Greek word appears  17  total  times in the manuscripts, the other 50  + additional other  instances where we see the word forgiveness in the transition, the Greek word forgiveness is not used in the manuscripts.

these other instances is the Greek “   ἀφίημι - aphiēmi  “    =    To  send  away -  lay  aside,  leave,  let   alone  and  be gone  and  put away  our  sin.  My statement would have incomplete without you there to clarify and I thank you for that.

God bless you alway

Thanks for your gracious response. I so appreciate folks like you who are so far beyond me in language and translation etc. I'm petty simple in those types of studies. What amazes me is the words that the KJV scholars chose to use when translating one Greek or Hebrew word. The most profound one to me is the translation of agape as charity in 1 cor 13 and yet as love in most other places. Anyway, I digress. Thanks for sharing. Blessings.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/25/2024 at 3:44 PM, Lend An Ear said:

you are right in line with scripture, perfect and so very true.

thanks for making that correction or clarification, my post was to simply to make the presentation concerning specifically on how the Greek word   - "    ☞  aphesis   \  forgiveness /  pardon  "    only  appears  17   total  times in the manuscript and how the word is applied only specifically pertaining to the application or process of repentance, being baptized and receiving the Spirit Holy - the  initial step of repentance 

also, the application of the blood of atonement shed by Jesus ... 

the  initial or first step of repentance   and the literal application of the blood at calvary  ✦  upon these two things the Greek word appears  17   total  times in the manuscripts, additionally as i mentioned afore  -  -  ✒   when the apostles were bringing sinners to Christ in the scriptures they,   "   the Apostles in Scripture     "   are commanding anyone who had been baptized previously without using the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - to drop everything at once and immediately be Re - Baptized..... and this is at least ongoing for 50 years after the resurrection,.

you have such an important message in the truth that baptism does not save us nor anything we can do of ourselves 

thank you  -    and i was simply trying to explain that the  initial or first step of repentance   and the literal application of the blood at calvary   

upon these two, within the context of these two things alone the Greek word appears  17  total  times in the manuscripts, the other 50  + additional other  instances where we see the word forgiveness in the transition, the Greek word forgiveness is not used in the manuscripts.

these other instances is the Greek “   ἀφίημι - aphiēmi  “    =    To  send  away -  lay  aside,  leave,  let   alone  and  be gone  and  put away  our  sin.  My statement would have incomplete without you there to clarify and I thank you for that.

God bless you alway

Are you sure? 

[Lend An Ear]

thank you for taking time to reply to my comment.

I am not entirely sure as to exactly what you are asking regarding my assurance or confidence however i can try to speculate as to what you are asking,

my only point was to show what Scriptures themselves say  ......  for example in  -  Act 19

Act 19:1      ...  Apollos was at Corinth, -    Paul  /    passing through the upper coasts and came to Ephesus:   there he found some certain disciples, 

 :2  He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.   :3  And he said unto them, Unto  what  then  were  ye  baptized?     -   And they said, Unto John's baptism. 

 :4  Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.   :5  When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

My main focus was that these followers were new believers who had already been Baptized before.  Paul ,  did not personally baptize them but Paul did tell them that even though they had already been Baptized that they should go and be  Re  Baptized all over again.

I was just trying to say that Water Baptism seems to be so very important to God,  true, being baptized does not save our soul or make us any cleaner or better but it is an outwardly shew of a good conscience toward God.

God bless you alway

Edited December 27, 2024 by Lend An Ear

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, Lend An Ear said:

thank you for taking time to reply to my comment.

I am not entirely sure as to exactly what you are asking regarding my assurance or confidence however i can try to speculate as to what you are asking,

my only point was to show what Scriptures themselves say  ......  for example in  -  Act 19

Act 19:1      ...  Apollos was at Corinth, -    Paul  /    passing through the upper coasts and came to Ephesus:   there he found some certain disciples, 

 :2  He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.   :3  And he said unto them, Unto  what  then  were  ye  baptized?     -   And they said, Unto John's baptism. 

 :4  Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.   :5  When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

My main focus was that these followers were new believers who had already been Baptized before.  Paul ,  did not personally baptize them but Paul did tell them that even though they had already been Baptized that they should go and be  Re  Baptized all over again.

I was just trying to say that Water Baptism seems to be so very important to God,  true, being baptized does not save our soul or make us any cleaner or better but it is an outwardly shew of a good conscience toward God.

God bless you alway

Thank you for responding. 

I don't think so Jesus needs the baptistm but people require it to include you in their group and for membership. 

The time came when Paul began to let the believers know that the Jesus is asking his people to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. 

I am not trying to persuade you and if I would I would point to John the Baptist who said "I baptized you with water but the Promised One will baptize you with fire. 

 

[missmuffet]

God forgives and forgets the born again Christian's sins.

Isaiah 43:25

“I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake;
And I will not remember your sins.

Jeremiah 31:34

No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Hebrews 8:12

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins ^[a]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”