Selective Rapture

[WilliamL]

5 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Are you having something else in mind. Like an appearance to a lot of people at the same time and appear and remain with them...

Yes, that is the Greek meaning of Parousia. It has to do with a visible and public appearance, not a personal and private experience.

[Indentured Servant]

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Let's see how this works out.  When a person speaks to you, do you have to "translate" what he is saying before you can interpret what he is saying?

If he is speaking Greek, Hebrew, or Japanese, I have to translate first; and, depending on his clarity, I may have to interpret what he is trying to communicate. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

49 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

If he is speaking Greek, Hebrew, or Japanese, I have to translate first; and, depending on his clarity, I may have to interpret what he is trying to communicate. 

 

Congratulations. And it takes a lot more to understand someone and some times it's very difficult because they cannot understand you. They are in a different way of comunicating. Or we can't or it is difficult to understand them. 

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Only if he is speaking to you in a foreign language. As does the Bible, with its Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic.

Right.  When a person who speaks only English, reads the Bible in English, they don't need to "interpret".  Seems lots of people think they can "interpret" Bible passages, which is why there is so much disagreement among believers when discussing passages, verses, and doctrines.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

No, because as Indentured Servant correctly stated:

So unless you are reading a Bible that follows a strict one-for-one translation of the original text into an English equivalent, you are reading some form or another of an interpretation of said text. The only one-for-one such translation I know of is the Interlinear Scriptural Analyzer.

That allows anyone to "interpret" the Bible however they want.  There are many verses that are what I call "plain language" or "straightforward", yet others will say that they "interpret" the verse differently, which isn't what the plain language says.

2 Pet 1:20 - Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

Just as the prophet didn't "interpret" what he thought, so we must take verses in a straightforward way.  

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

FreeGrace said:

Let's see how this works out.  When a person speaks to you, do you have to "translate" what he is saying before you can interpret what he is saying?

If he is speaking Greek, Hebrew, or Japanese, I have to translate first; and, depending on his clarity, I may have to interpret what he is trying to communicate. 

If you know the language the other one is speaking, you don't have to "translate" anything.  If his speech isn't clear, or vague, trying to "interpret" means you are guessing at what he is trying to say.  And that is exactly the problem today;  believers take verses, read them through the lens of their own theology, and "interpret" according to their theology, rather than just letting the plain language speak for itself.

[Locust]

I C U's are still struggling with  Parousia.

[Locust]

i wonder i if i said we were  in the Parousia of Bidden. now we are in the Parousia of trump.  

[Locust]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The beast roared but was defeated. 

I did not see that movie how did it end

[Indentured Servant]

16 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

If you know the language the other one is speaking, you don't have to "translate" anything.  If his speech isn't clear, or vague, trying to "interpret" means you are guessing at what he is trying to say.  And that is exactly the problem today;  believers take verses, read them through the lens of their own theology, and "interpret" according to their theology, rather than just letting the plain language speak for itself.

Agreed. The majority of debates and/or arguments are based on differing interpretations, not so much on word for word translation... (But, a bad translation can lead to a whole different set of interpretations, speculations, etc.)