Did Christ come to just go to the Cross?

[farouk]

CH Spurgeon said, There is more glory in the Cross than in the manger.

Our Scriptural knowledge of the Person of Christ is really inseparable from our Scriptural knowledge of His work at the Cross.

[farouk]

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the Gospel of John we learn that Jesus Christ is the Life. He was the only one who was in the Life of God. 

Jesus has the same Life as the Heavenly Father. 

Is there something that is in the way to understand that? 

@Your closest friendnt There is indeed overwhelming evidence in Scripture - especially the New Testament - for the doctrine of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - often referred to as the Trinity.

[farouk]

On 6/7/2025 at 12:23 PM, missmuffet said:

Jesus came to earth primarily to save humanity from sin and 

death through His sacrifice and resurrection. 
 

@missmuffet Take away His death at the Cross and the revelation of Him in Scripture would be gutted and fabricated.

[Vine Abider]

5 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Do you believe the comforter (Joh 16:7) is the Spirit of Christ Who indwells the members of His Body?

 You said…..“So going to the cross meant redemption; then going through the cross (in resurrection) meant His life-giving Spirit is now available to come live in us and be our life!”

Paul said now the Lord is that Spirit yet Christ after resurrection said He wasn’t spirit (Luk 24:39) but flesh and bone thus Jesus was transfigured (glorified) at ascension. When the veil …His physical body… is removed He returns to His glorified being at ascension before he became flesh.

Heb 10:20  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;  

2Co 3:16  Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 
2Co 3:17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Jesus made it clear with this statement.. Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 

Christ had to return to the life giving Spirit before He could indwell believers, it was certainly impossible for Him to indwell in physical form.
 

I don't see any clear distinction, and the discussion of who lives is us is, to be sure, a pretty mysterious thing (yet also simple - Christ).  One place in scripture that highlights this is Romans 8:10-11:

"But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."

So, in my mind at least, not so easy to define . . . (at least for me)

[NConly]

3 hours ago, farouk said:

CH Spurgeon said, There is more glory in the Cross than in the manger.

Our Scriptural knowledge of the Person of Christ is really inseparable from our Scriptural knowledge of His work at the Cross.

I agree. This thread seems to be centered on The Cross but the mission of Jesus involve several task that had to be done in a specific order imo

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[Vine Abider]

20 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi VA,

I have replied however I`ll write some more details.

1. Christ came to become the last Adam to legally have dominion over the earth.

2. Christ came to be Israel`s king legally from the line of David.

3. Christ came to bring the Old Testament saints to heaven to wait for their inheritance in the New Jerusalem that would eventually go down to the Universal area to be the administrative center of the universe bringing together the spiritual and physical realms. 

4. Christ came to be the Head of His Body that would be like Him and rule from the third heaven on His own throne.

5. Christ came to be the Worthy one who would rule over all of God`s great Kingdom.

6. Christ came to defeat the enemy and legally take back all that Satan had usurped. 

7. Christ came to do the Father`s Will.

So many things were accomplished at the cross!  Additionally, He terminated old Adam and the old creation.  And He then was able to put His life into those who accept Him!  And so, so much more -  what a rich inheritance we have in Christ!

[farouk]

1 hour ago, NConly said:

I agree. This thread seems to be centered on The Cross but the mission of Jrsus involve several task that had to be done in a specific order imo

The Epistle to the Hebrews shows so much that is fulfilled in Christ.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 6/11/2025 at 6:11 PM, Vine Abider said:

I see the Comforter and the life-giving Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus Christ as synonymous.  Otherwise it would seem that we would have both the Comforter AND Christ as separate Ones living in us.  But what Paul tells us repeatedly is just Christ in us.

Of course, this leads into a discussion of the exact characteristics of the Triune God (is He 3 in 1 or 1 in 3? - my answer is "yes"), which discussion I deem to be above my pay grade.

@Vine Abid

Because we are sealed with the Spirit of Christ it not the same as Christ making our abode in us. This needs to be discussed. 

Edited June 13 by Your closest friendnt

[Vine Abider]

17 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Because we are sheal with the Spirit of Christ it not the same as Christ making our abode in us. This needs to be discussed. 

What does "sheal" mean?

[Revelation Man]

On 1/7/2025 at 11:09 AM, Vine Abider said:

Yes, however that was just one part of His journey - a means to an end.  What was He after ultimately? 

Christ was slain before the foundations of the earth [came into being], but just because God foreknows everything, doesn't mean that was the ultimate plan, God's plans have to go with the flow of mankind's willingness to obey Him.

If Israel had repented and accepted Christ as their Messiah, then the 70 AD events would have see Jesus return to set up his Kingdom Age/1000 year reign at that time, but of course God knew they would not repent "AT THAT TIME....they will repent soon" and thus God gave the mantle of taking the Gospel unto the whole world unto the Gentile Church.